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I am looking for a Montreal in good rust free condition and well sorted.
Not seeking a concours car or garage queen, but car must be complete and running well. Basically seeking a car that has been driven with brio and maintained with love.

If you have a car that you'd rather sell to another alfista who will drive the car all over the place than to a dealer or garage queen hoarder, please PM me. Non-red cars preferred.
 

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What price do you intend for your budget and description to fit?
 

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A perfect one just sold for 86 on ebay, and I would settle for a less pristine example, so that should give you a sense of where my head is at.
 

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Sorry, but I don't think too many "Perfect" Montreals are going for 86K anymore. So called perfect ones are fetching wll over 100K with the show winning types getting to around 200. Just thought I'd mention it, not trying to butt into this conversation guy's... sorry.
 

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I think the problem one faces is that there are now enough examples crossing well-known auction blocks at 100k+ that potential sellers are unlikely to just give one away.

The one that just sold at Bonhams in August, for example, drew $99k (including buyer's premium). It was FAR from perfect. You can find discussions about it at places like Sports Car Market noting the quickie paint job, lots of rusty screws on the exterior, and a tired engine compartment. Given that this was among the lower prices paid recently, and there were what appeared to be at least 3 bidders in attendance active for this one, I'd say "good" cars have a lower end of $100k. I personally did not think the Bonham's car met the standard of "good", as quickie paint jobs and rusty screws hint at a lot of invisible problems that a new owner would have to repair. If I was going to take mine to an auction (which I may well do), I'd fix the mechanicals first, and the visible stuff last, keeping every receipt for potential buyers to review.

So - if you can find any Montreal for less than $50k, feel free to go for it. I predict you'll find about $50k or more of repairs, or other horrors awaiting you.

If you do better, we'll all cheer for you. I think the bargains ended about 3 years ago.
 

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Well said Don! I agree with you completely. The issue I see is that a number of people at last, see the value of the cars, and would like to perhaps own one, but do not want to pay the asking prices. We would all love to buy low and sell high, but the good deals are few and very far between. I say buy if you like the Montreal by all means, not because you want something to "flip" after a quick makeover.
 

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I am perfectly aware of the current market situation and have wanted one for years but only recently been able to afford one. The 86K example in the UK proves that the real market value of these cars is still sub six figure, and that there are auction outliers which franklyare just that--outliers. There are plenty of honest cars for sale in europe sub 100k. I just was hoping to find one in the US so I don't have to deal with importation headaches.
 

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Brad...

You may be right. Or not. A "real" market is rather ethereal, and changes due to context.

An Ebay sale often includes potential buyers who cannot go see the car, or have the time and resources to arrange for a high quality PPI. Most will refrain from paying as much than they would after a thorough inspection.

A well publicized auction allow a good chance for in person inspection and/or on site specialists to do a good PPI.

And lastly, we see a wide range of interpretations of the term "good driver". Many sellers use the term for a car that starts, but not much else.

Again,I certainly hope you find your car. I believe that a true "good driver" is now at or above $100k. It may be a $70k car plus $30k of repairs, or it might be a $100k car that needs only $5k of tweaks. Or, an $86k car that needs $14k.

If you get one for less, I hope you'll share your next year's experience with it. We all learn from our community.
 

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There are plenty of honest cars for sale in europe sub 100k.

…I was just going to say this, but you beat me to it. Bite the bullet and buy in Europe, then take it on vacation before shipping it home?
 

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For years I have seen a noticeable price difference between Europe and the US, I always figured it was supply and demand. More cars in Europe means lower prices, less car here in the States= higher prices. How many cars do you think are in the US? Maybe 200-300? You can always buy in Europe and bring it over but that also has its pros and cons. Good luck with your search.
 

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Obviously there are many extra costs involved in bringing the car from Europe, including your round trip travel to see it. Not sure many that would buy such a expensive car sight unseen!
 

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Not sure many that would buy such a expensive car sight unseen!
+1 Knowing the details listed in this auction, I'd probably make an exception this time!

Brad, the metallic green Montreal from eBay was discussed here in the Montreal board:
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-montreal/372058-marvelous-montreal.html

I love the color but wonder if that hurt the selling price or if being on eBay with a private sale hurt? I believe that it would be very difficult to find a similar car in similar condition without going into the six figure zone or finding a very out of touch owner. Just a suggestion but I would call the phone number in the listing to verify if the car did sell or not. Carl mentioned to me at one point that the "high bidder" voiced concern over bidding on the car without an inspection. Alcohol will cause that sort of thing...if you are ever in the Atlanta area look me up and we'll take one out for a ride with brio:thumbup:
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Not certain if this was shown or discussed, but I received Hemmings daily mail with this ad.
1974 Alfa Romeo Montreal Coupe for sale | Hemmings Motor News

Seems like it needs some work for the price.
Geez . . . $67.5k ask for that car? If it sells for near that, then I'm feeling pretty good about my car. The interior is nice (other than the typical dash crack) but otherwise the car looks a bit rough, but perhaps that's where the market is now.
 

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I am looking for a Montreal in good rust free condition and well sorted.
Not seeking a concours car or garage queen, but car must be complete and running well. Basically seeking a car that has been driven with brio and maintained with love.

If you have a car that you'd rather sell to another alfista who will drive the car all over the place than to a dealer or garage queen hoarder, please PM me. Non-red cars preferred.
I'd have to say that in regards to the Montreal being obtained and utilized as you envision (especially in the States) - you've missed the boat. Maybe five or ten years ago but certainly not today because they have crossed over into the realm of pure collectible where the asking price simply does not make it practical to do a road trip and park it outside a Radisson Inn while you catch 40 winks. A Ferrari 308 GT4 would probably be the best candidate for a mission like that but I see you've already got one of those.

I too had a hankerin' to get a Montreal but that was years ago when you saw them selling for $15-20k and it was really that exotic V8 that I lusted for because lets be honest here, the Montreal is just a show car body on an old 105 chassis. There isn't really anything technically extravagant or ground breaking about it. Well there is the unquestionable beauty of course and so in some ways it's sad to see them enter that realm where they will mostly sit in garages under covers as an "investment" or in a museum but I suppose that's where they belong and as Alfa enthusiasts we can be proud of that. Obviously anyone who currently owns one is asking himself "how did I end up so lucky?" :geek:
 

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I reckon the low-production Alfas have always given the world the best all around experience. Mid-expensive at first, either drive or race them, then just cheap fun, then collectible.

Every time I read the original list price for a GTA I just shake my head. When I consider the Touring cars being $500 drivers, I count myself lucky to have had one at that age. 1300 Sprint Veloces sat unsold for $300 each in the early 70's.

I doubt the last two years of Montreal auctions have been "outliers". If I'm wrong, then at least I had my mouth and money in the same place.
 

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Not sure about leaving them under the covers. And all the talk about being unreliable. Sorry, but my wife and I used the Montreal and drove it hard on a 1000 mile Michigan Mille rally this summer, and then followed it up with a road trip to Montreal, Canada in the Montreal because I figured that's where it all started at the 1967 World Expo. Would not put it away "wet", but the car is used and will still turn heads. That is what I believe these cars were built for. Much as you may say it was a show car body on a 105 chassis, I do not know too many run of the mill Alfa Romeo's, first with a V8, Quad Cam, Dry Sumped, Fuel Injected, close ratio ZF 5 speed, Ventilated Disc Brakes... need I go on? C'mon guys, humble underpinnings never hurt good cars. Ford Escorts with 1100 cc engines became BDA engined world championship rally and race cars. Seems there are a lot of people who still look at the negative aspects of what they think is a Montreal. First it was too cheap and complicated to own, now it's to expensive and complicated to run,... You did the right thing Don, that's all I can say.
 
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