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Same-same on the Milanos...
The older OEM GTV6 was a twin-disc setup - not worth a **** if you ask me....
Complete OE brand new Milano clutch assembly = 700 plus USD...
Don't bother - call Andrew Garcia and just get the clutch (unless you have killed your pressure plate.)
Replacing just the clutch is fine. Machining and/or replacing pressure-plate will require rebalancing the unit.
Consider lightening the entire unit by about 20-25% after replacing the clutch plate ad then rebalancing the entire assembly as unit while you're at it - you'll love the gains and it will really help sifting.
The older OEM GTV6 was a twin-disc setup - not worth a **** if you ask me....
Complete OE brand new Milano clutch assembly = 700 plus USD...
Don't bother - call Andrew Garcia and just get the clutch (unless you have killed your pressure plate.)
Replacing just the clutch is fine. Machining and/or replacing pressure-plate will require rebalancing the unit.
Consider lightening the entire unit by about 20-25% after replacing the clutch plate ad then rebalancing the entire assembly as unit while you're at it - you'll love the gains and it will really help sifting.
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Machine the rear flywheel and then rebalance the entire unit...
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Why would you have to balance "as a unit"? Shouldn't the flywheel, pressure plate and disc all rotate independently?
The pressure plate rotates with the driveshaft? The flywheel rotates with the transmission inputs shaft? and is the disc afixed to anything or does it just do it's own thing until pressure is applied from the pressure plate onto the disc thus pressing it into the flywheel?
Or is that all hogwash?
The pressure plate rotates with the driveshaft? The flywheel rotates with the transmission inputs shaft? and is the disc afixed to anything or does it just do it's own thing until pressure is applied from the pressure plate onto the disc thus pressing it into the flywheel?
Or is that all hogwash?
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Ask me. 26 years later we still have the same twin plate clutch on our GTV6 and it is mean.
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Balancing.........
Why would you have to balance "as a unit"? Shouldn't the flywheel, pressure plate and disc all rotate independently?
The pressure plate rotates with the driveshaft? The flywheel rotates with the transmission inputs shaft? and is the disc afixed to anything or does it just do it's own thing until pressure is applied from the pressure plate onto the disc thus pressing it into the flywheel?
Echo Leader......
Echo , you may "think" but the statement above tells me you don`t before you type.
STUDY UP!
If it rotated independently it would never move the car..... The disk is attached to the input shaft. The correct way to balance is to "zero" balance all components, so that fitment at one point is not necessary, or so spares or replacements can be balanced indepently.
Why would you have to balance "as a unit"? Shouldn't the flywheel, pressure plate and disc all rotate independently?
The pressure plate rotates with the driveshaft? The flywheel rotates with the transmission inputs shaft? and is the disc afixed to anything or does it just do it's own thing until pressure is applied from the pressure plate onto the disc thus pressing it into the flywheel?
Echo Leader......
Echo , you may "think" but the statement above tells me you don`t before you type.
STUDY UP!
If it rotated independently it would never move the car..... The disk is attached to the input shaft. The correct way to balance is to "zero" balance all components, so that fitment at one point is not necessary, or so spares or replacements can be balanced indepently.
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twin or single?
The single disk milano clutch is simpler and easier to disengage. But it is larger in diameter (OD) than the Twin disk assembly, and at the same weight has more rotational inertia. The twin disk is able to handle more torque, but the 2 smaller stock disk are as bad on the syncros as the larger 8.5 inch clutch.
The Twin can be lightened as much as the Single, and lighter aluminum center disk would make it easy on the syncros. With that modification done it is my choice.
The single disk milano clutch is simpler and easier to disengage. But it is larger in diameter (OD) than the Twin disk assembly, and at the same weight has more rotational inertia. The twin disk is able to handle more torque, but the 2 smaller stock disk are as bad on the syncros as the larger 8.5 inch clutch.
The Twin can be lightened as much as the Single, and lighter aluminum center disk would make it easy on the syncros. With that modification done it is my choice.
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Richard,
Funny! I realize that they have to make contact, I'm not a drooling idiot. However, when disengaged they are free to spin independently. Thus no specific alignment of the pressureplate relative to the disc and flywheel is ever ensured. To that end, I was poorly implying just what you said. Each component must be balanced individually. There's no point in balancing 'as a unit' (meaning all those components in one alignment) due to the fact that they may never 'align' again as balanced.
Glad you've confirmed my original thought though. I was worried that I'd misunderstood the whole thing somehow. And in the future, I'll attempt to spell out my thoughts a bit better.
Funny! I realize that they have to make contact, I'm not a drooling idiot.
However, when disengaged they are free to spin independently. Thus no specific alignment of the pressureplate relative to the disc and flywheel is ever ensured. To that end, I was poorly implying just what you said. Each component must be balanced individually. There's no point in balancing 'as a unit' (meaning all those components in one alignment) due to the fact that they may never 'align' again as balanced. Glad you've confirmed my original thought though. I was worried that I'd misunderstood the whole thing somehow. And in the future, I'll attempt to spell out my thoughts a bit better.
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Well, the pressure plate and flywheel could be balanced as a unit, since they're physically attached to one another. Similarly, the shaft and rear can be balanced together since they're attached. But, as you observe, the "rear half" and the "front half" move independently, so balancing them together would serve no purpose...
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