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You are right Don, the car seams to be a very good base. But where is this door ?
I don't know if you well understand me, I have you Gear Box Bell Housing.
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The door is in the back seat.
I've had three or four bell housings offered, so probably won't need to have yours shipped over from Europe. Thank you, though.
Bob is heading back toward home today. Good company.
I've had three or four bell housings offered, so probably won't need to have yours shipped over from Europe. Thank you, though.
Bob is heading back toward home today. Good company.
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Hi Don,
Congratulations on your new find. It looks like a great start! I am sure there will be plenty of interesting events to keep us all entertained.
I am sorry to hear... "wife having moved out (alas, it happens)". It's been almost 14 years for me; I vaguely recall that day and the pain leading up to it. Things are better now and I feel fortunate in many ways.
Perhaps in my case it was a combination of Alfa's and tournament bass fishing. If you ever feel the need to take a break and get away from it all; you are always welcome here. Now that my kids have all grown up and moved on there are plenty of extra rooms. Pick you up at Cobb International Airport with a boat and tackle, we can head straight for the 'healing waters'. It is not all about catching fish; that is only a small part of fishing. Maybe you can show me how to adjust the confounded Montreal Spica while you are here too.
In the following song just substitute Alfa for fish; they may both be four letter words to a woman...;-)
Mark
Congratulations on your new find. It looks like a great start! I am sure there will be plenty of interesting events to keep us all entertained.
I am sorry to hear... "wife having moved out (alas, it happens)". It's been almost 14 years for me; I vaguely recall that day and the pain leading up to it. Things are better now and I feel fortunate in many ways.
Perhaps in my case it was a combination of Alfa's and tournament bass fishing. If you ever feel the need to take a break and get away from it all; you are always welcome here. Now that my kids have all grown up and moved on there are plenty of extra rooms. Pick you up at Cobb International Airport with a boat and tackle, we can head straight for the 'healing waters'. It is not all about catching fish; that is only a small part of fishing. Maybe you can show me how to adjust the confounded Montreal Spica while you are here too.
In the following song just substitute Alfa for fish; they may both be four letter words to a woman...;-)
Mark
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My father had a wooden plaque behind is wet-bar at our home. It said "God does not subtract from a man's allotted time that which is spent fishing."
Ayup.
I recall a song from my youth by the Thirteenth floor elevators called "You're gonna miss me". I think powerful chemical were a significant factor in that band.
There's always a story. In this case, she's seeking therapy for the sudden loss of her previous husband, and some other compounding tragedies in her life. She may be back. She might not. When one goes off into solitude to rediscover one's self, the results can be unexpected.
This thread, much like my others, is likely to have subplots and side stories. Thread digressions are always welcome. Just play nice.
I've committed three days per week to flight instructing. It results in being paid a nice hourly wage for taking out my frustrations and pent up rage on unsuspecting students. Or, perhaps it results in me being paid a nice wage to learn the humility and sense of satisfaction of helping someone achieve a worthy goal, such as keeping themselves and their friends alive.
Or, maybe it's both?
Alfa dismantling begins tomorrow.
I've also got the oven pretty much finished for experiments in plexiglass molding for the POFC hard top rear window.
Ayup.
I recall a song from my youth by the Thirteenth floor elevators called "You're gonna miss me". I think powerful chemical were a significant factor in that band.
There's always a story. In this case, she's seeking therapy for the sudden loss of her previous husband, and some other compounding tragedies in her life. She may be back. She might not. When one goes off into solitude to rediscover one's self, the results can be unexpected.
This thread, much like my others, is likely to have subplots and side stories. Thread digressions are always welcome. Just play nice.
I've committed three days per week to flight instructing. It results in being paid a nice hourly wage for taking out my frustrations and pent up rage on unsuspecting students. Or, perhaps it results in me being paid a nice wage to learn the humility and sense of satisfaction of helping someone achieve a worthy goal, such as keeping themselves and their friends alive.
Or, maybe it's both?
Alfa dismantling begins tomorrow.
I've also got the oven pretty much finished for experiments in plexiglass molding for the POFC hard top rear window.
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Aircraft Windshield Company - Home no experiments needed and cheap.
There are some levels of grief that are especially hard and relationship troubles are at the top of my list. There never seem to be easy answers. Maggie and I celebrated 50 years together last month. Most long-term relationships and marriages are hardly perfect but if I had to think of one cementing factor that contributes to longevity it has to be respect for the other's space. From our first date (where she had to push-start my TR4---longer story there) Maggie always liked and never complained about my car adventures---or misadventures. Looking back, I think all 110 pounds of her pushing that recalcitrant TR4 across that parking lot while dressed to the nines, was a litmus test. Instead of being pissed, she laughed about it all the way back home. I kinda felt like things might work out.
Mark: My dad was a lifelong bass fisherman. Alas, I am not although I nonetheless made time to go fishing when ever I visited home. I think my dad most enjoyed the solace he found in being out on the lake, usually alone, but sometimes with a friend. One day, we were out on Lake Ouachita, his favorite place in the whole world. It was a splendid fall day; crisp, clear and the lake was was like glass. For a long time I'd wanted to tell him something that I'd been thinking about. I put my rod down and said, "I want to tell you something. Everything you ever told me was true". He smiled a little at that, pleased that I'd finally figured that out. A few years later my dad died and every time I think about that splendid day on the lake, I'm glad that I said what I said.
Another minor diversion: Astor Piazzola's tango music.
Mark: My dad was a lifelong bass fisherman. Alas, I am not although I nonetheless made time to go fishing when ever I visited home. I think my dad most enjoyed the solace he found in being out on the lake, usually alone, but sometimes with a friend. One day, we were out on Lake Ouachita, his favorite place in the whole world. It was a splendid fall day; crisp, clear and the lake was was like glass. For a long time I'd wanted to tell him something that I'd been thinking about. I put my rod down and said, "I want to tell you something. Everything you ever told me was true". He smiled a little at that, pleased that I'd finally figured that out. A few years later my dad died and every time I think about that splendid day on the lake, I'm glad that I said what I said.
Another minor diversion: Astor Piazzola's tango music.
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That's a very nice piece. Although languorishly slow, very much a dance piece. This makes sense when you accept that the essence of tango is expressed in moments of stillness more than during motion.
You'll note that the four dancers in the video were all men. Although in the modern area, single-gender partners are what you might assume, the origins of tango date to the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. In that era, mixed-gender dancing was contrary to Italian cultural norms, so only men-men, and woman-woman dancing was tolerated.
I personally much prefer dancing with a sensuous lady.
You'll note that the four dancers in the video were all men. Although in the modern area, single-gender partners are what you might assume, the origins of tango date to the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. In that era, mixed-gender dancing was contrary to Italian cultural norms, so only men-men, and woman-woman dancing was tolerated.
I personally much prefer dancing with a sensuous lady.
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Judging from his biography, so did Piazzola.
You know, I just went back and look at that video. That was a interesting bit of editing the BBC did, cutting period a period film (30's maybe?) into the studio video. They even got the tempo right. Now I wonder if they showed the period film to Piazzola so that he could match the original dance tempo? I'm guessing that's what happened. Whether by luck or design, it's very nice work.
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Dismantling
I started taking things apart today.
Most of have done a project or two, often advertised as "low miles", "rust free", etc. Normally, we discover the truth fairly quickly.
I got all of the boxes and stuff unloaded out of the passenger compartment and trunk beginning the process of sorting things out into brightly labeled plastic tubs. Lots more of that yet to go, but it's a calming exercise.
The only thing I unscrewed today was the license plate light/trunk latch assembly. It instantly struck me than none of the four 7mm nuts were frozen in place, popping loose from the exactly correct degree of tightness, and finger-spinning straight off. I have NEVER had nuts come off of a 50+ year old, long dormant Alfa that easily before. Whoa, the plastic lens has no crack!?!?
Then I pulled some tape off of the taillight mounting area, wisely put there a lont time ago to slow down any mouse and moisture ingress.
That's when something else struck me.
You've all noted that I don't really want to have to repaint this car red, but I might if that was original. All of the areas I uncovered so far are white. Have I gotten lucky and gotten another grigio biacca car?
The carpets are all red. I've never seen a red 102 with red carpet. This would have been the general color used with grigio biacca. Oddly, this car has the floors covered with matching red carpet, on top of the original rubber mats. The carpet appears to match the carpet on the sills and trans tunnel, which is where the original carpet was placed. I'm wondering if floor carpets might have been an optional add-on?
The seats and door vinyl are all black. This would be the norm for a red exterior. So, I'll just have to wait until the museo finally responds with the recorded truth. Fingers crossed.
Another surprised. The spare tire tub seems totally unrusted and sound, at least when inspected from the inside. I have yet to crawl around with something pokey to get a measure of the underside.
I started taking things apart today.
Most of have done a project or two, often advertised as "low miles", "rust free", etc. Normally, we discover the truth fairly quickly.
I got all of the boxes and stuff unloaded out of the passenger compartment and trunk beginning the process of sorting things out into brightly labeled plastic tubs. Lots more of that yet to go, but it's a calming exercise.
The only thing I unscrewed today was the license plate light/trunk latch assembly. It instantly struck me than none of the four 7mm nuts were frozen in place, popping loose from the exactly correct degree of tightness, and finger-spinning straight off. I have NEVER had nuts come off of a 50+ year old, long dormant Alfa that easily before. Whoa, the plastic lens has no crack!?!?
Then I pulled some tape off of the taillight mounting area, wisely put there a lont time ago to slow down any mouse and moisture ingress.
That's when something else struck me.
You've all noted that I don't really want to have to repaint this car red, but I might if that was original. All of the areas I uncovered so far are white. Have I gotten lucky and gotten another grigio biacca car?
The carpets are all red. I've never seen a red 102 with red carpet. This would have been the general color used with grigio biacca. Oddly, this car has the floors covered with matching red carpet, on top of the original rubber mats. The carpet appears to match the carpet on the sills and trans tunnel, which is where the original carpet was placed. I'm wondering if floor carpets might have been an optional add-on?
The seats and door vinyl are all black. This would be the norm for a red exterior. So, I'll just have to wait until the museo finally responds with the recorded truth. Fingers crossed.
Another surprised. The spare tire tub seems totally unrusted and sound, at least when inspected from the inside. I have yet to crawl around with something pokey to get a measure of the underside.
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Immigrant from Texas
Just to prove the car was once resident in Houston, I found a native ****roach. Still perfectly preserved, awaiting the next zombie apocalypse to return to motion. Or, maybe just warmer weather?
Clearly, something happened to the trunk prop assembly. I'd rather find an original than try to fabricate this, although it's certainly achievable.
A snap of the rear seat area after vacuuming out quite a pile of leaves. Wow.
Just to prove the car was once resident in Houston, I found a native ****roach. Still perfectly preserved, awaiting the next zombie apocalypse to return to motion. Or, maybe just warmer weather?
Clearly, something happened to the trunk prop assembly. I'd rather find an original than try to fabricate this, although it's certainly achievable.
A snap of the rear seat area after vacuuming out quite a pile of leaves. Wow.
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I think you'll be happy. It looks like a white car with red carpets and black vinyl interior trim. Those carpets, seats, door panels and floor mats look like factory originale' parts. Norman Peterson's very original Touring Roadster had the same sort of 'rubber carpet' snaps on the floor mats. Is there a mating snap piece on the red carpet?
The inner wheel wells appear to have been freshly painted or are in exceptionally good condition.
Mark
The inner wheel wells appear to have been freshly painted or are in exceptionally good condition.
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All the news that's fit to print
Another night of sorting and scrutinizing. Not much missing that I can recognize.
Pics for entertainment.
The Houston paper was stuffed under the stored soft top, inside a plastic sleeve, and covered with leaves and mouse-chewed newspaper. The paper in the sleeve could have been delivered yesterday, with no yellowing, mildew, etc.
"Dems ax budget". Hmmm not much changed in 27 years.
Another night of sorting and scrutinizing. Not much missing that I can recognize.
Pics for entertainment.
The Houston paper was stuffed under the stored soft top, inside a plastic sleeve, and covered with leaves and mouse-chewed newspaper. The paper in the sleeve could have been delivered yesterday, with no yellowing, mildew, etc.
"Dems ax budget". Hmmm not much changed in 27 years.
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So far, all good signs
The top works, but the fabric is shot. Top bay very clean, after the leaves and chewed newspaper were removed.
Both front turn/fog lamps are clean. I'm used to seeing the insides flaking away. Included are two Marchal "nipple" driving lights. I'm guessing I'll find matching holes in the front bumpers. Reinstall them, or close up the holes?
The included mirrors were mounted into holes waaaaaayyy up on each front fender. Not my style. I'll be closing those holes, as well as the antenna hole mounted strangely just in front of the right edge of the windshield. I'm probably going to do this car sans radio.
Probably removing more parts from the car itself Thursday. Tomorrow night is my grandson's winter band concert. Priorities.
The top works, but the fabric is shot. Top bay very clean, after the leaves and chewed newspaper were removed.
Both front turn/fog lamps are clean. I'm used to seeing the insides flaking away. Included are two Marchal "nipple" driving lights. I'm guessing I'll find matching holes in the front bumpers. Reinstall them, or close up the holes?
The included mirrors were mounted into holes waaaaaayyy up on each front fender. Not my style. I'll be closing those holes, as well as the antenna hole mounted strangely just in front of the right edge of the windshield. I'm probably going to do this car sans radio.
Probably removing more parts from the car itself Thursday. Tomorrow night is my grandson's winter band concert. Priorities.
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The lube plate was resting on the cover plate under the hood, loose. No rivets. While the car was on a trailer being towed from Texas to Nevada. Amazing it didn't bounce out and end up by the roadside somewhere in Arizona.
Wouldn't you love to pull over to take a roadside pee in, for instance, Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, look down, and spot a Touring Alfa lube plate in amazingly good condition, laying by the roadside?
I love those moments when I pick up something along the way and ask "now WHAT was the story that led to this being here?"
Yeah, the radio opening is a mess. Quite repairable by a good welder, however.
Wouldn't you love to pull over to take a roadside pee in, for instance, Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, look down, and spot a Touring Alfa lube plate in amazingly good condition, laying by the roadside?
I love those moments when I pick up something along the way and ask "now WHAT was the story that led to this being here?"
Yeah, the radio opening is a mess. Quite repairable by a good welder, however.
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Top, frame, and rear seat area upholstery removed. Right door panel off. Regretting giving away my spare set of NOS door handles and trim rings. Right front headlight bucket pulled. Pretty much glued in place by liquified and re-solidified gasket.
The headlights appear to be original Carello. However, the reflectors display some failure of the reflecting surface. Glass lenses perfect. Rebuildable?
Does anyone know if the various retaining screws for the door panels and other interior bits were originally slot or philips head?
Anyone have a usable trunk prop assembly, or just the rod?
Still no frozen screws. Living in a universe unknown to me.
The headlights appear to be original Carello. However, the reflectors display some failure of the reflecting surface. Glass lenses perfect. Rebuildable?
Does anyone know if the various retaining screws for the door panels and other interior bits were originally slot or philips head?
Anyone have a usable trunk prop assembly, or just the rod?
Still no frozen screws. Living in a universe unknown to me.
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I am pretty sure that there are companies out there that can resilver your Carello headlights.
Back in 1999 I sent the dash mounted mirror from my '59 Touring to 'Cliff's Classic Chevrolet' in Portland OR for "Gun Metal" resilvering. I also sent the Duetto rearview mirror for normal resilvering. The cost for both was $59. They are perfect to this day.
At the time, I spoke with Wanda P.) 503.667.4329.
Perhaps check Hemmings Motor News for others who perform this service.
Mark
Back in 1999 I sent the dash mounted mirror from my '59 Touring to 'Cliff's Classic Chevrolet' in Portland OR for "Gun Metal" resilvering. I also sent the Duetto rearview mirror for normal resilvering. The cost for both was $59. They are perfect to this day.
At the time, I spoke with Wanda P.) 503.667.4329.
Perhaps check Hemmings Motor News for others who perform this service.
Mark
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