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I was serious. Might be the easier option ?
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Day 128 - update

Here's some pics of the rocker panel work. Very happy with Franco's work. I used Eric on my last car, and was completely satisfied with the quality. However, Eric makes it hard with no email, etc.

I received the Borrani wheels and stuff last week while I was away. Machine drawings only in Italian, but otherwise all looks good. Maybe I can find an English translation somewhere. I'll be dropping them off at the tire store tomorrow to be mounted. I understand I've got to take a couple of my drums down to the machine shop to have the interior bore hole opened up a little. OK.

One of the door rain gutters is being redone. The other's not too bad, but we'll see how it goes and maybe do it anyway.

Shop got some straightening today, and I pulled out the front suspension onto the freshly cleaned bench. They appear and feel excellent, which is what I might expect from a low mileage, dry car. I'll go through them, plus coat the individual pieces. I scored some NOS spring rubber bumpers from Oz a few months ago. Who knew?

Flight back from Jackpot, NV was far less terrifying than the one going over. Clear blue yesterday. Low ceilings, snow, freezing rain, and mountains going over. In the end, no problems occurred. Rather than file IFR and hope for no ice, I just flew under the clouds going over, dodging the snow/rain shafts, and finding valleys and passes through the mountains. We didn't have time to locate the local entertaining "Annie's trannies and hot phone girls", as we spent all day focusing on the bridge cards, and locating martinis to get over the grind. Our scores went well, and we picked up 25 "gold" master points.

Bridge players attract a very high percentage of aspergers, autism, and downright arseh0!es. Oh. Wait a moment.....
 

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Paint sample

Here's one of the paint spots we located. Yep. Giallo Paglierino.
 

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Here's one of the paint spots we located. Yep. Giallo Paglierino.
Super, Don: A spot that is both unmolested and was not exposed to weather and/or UV rays -- I'd say this is about as good as it gets!!!
 

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In looking at it, I wonder if it is a two-color process? White first, then a greenish yellow on top?
 

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In looking at it, I wonder if it is a two-color process? White first, then a greenish yellow on top?
If you're thinking primer color (probably not white, but a light gray) and final paint, yes that's possible.

If you think two colors for creating a specific hue of color (i.e. translucent effect), I would say that's unlikely for single-stage paint. Without questioning the skills of painters back then, applying translucent paint manually in a uniform way on a production line, as the shape of these bodies requires them to be pained in one shot, and getting an even coat of paint on them in solid color is hard enough (I know of two 2600 Spiders that had to be painted 2-3 times because of this difficulty).
 

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I see we have quietly ignored my suggestion to take the car, once rolling, to the engine, instead of having to drag the heavy engine up a gravel paved hill and into the work shop :).

If you hired one of those rolling engine lifting A frames, it would be dead easy to roll that down to where the engine is, roll the car down and chuck the engine in, tow the car back up and into the workshop ... anyway, you know what you are doing so will sort it :)

One of the things I really hate about restoring a car, is ending up with a shell, or whatever, without wheels ... such a pain to move around! I can now see why so many do rolling restorations
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Pete,

Not so much ignored. I replied that the difficulty was not really pulling the box up the driveway. The difficulty is getting it out of the house. Perhaps you missed that reply? Plus, the driveway is narrow, and open to the elements, whereas the shop (only about 25 meters away from the house) has a nice smooth floor, heat and air conditioning, compressed air for tools, excellent lighting, organized parts bins, and about 800 watts of music system.

I see no benefit in trying to install an engine out in the open, when five minutes of rolling (once I have it out of the house) will get it to the shop.
 

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Pete,

Not so much ignored. I replied that the difficulty was not really pulling the box up the driveway. The difficulty is getting it out of the house. Perhaps you missed that reply? Plus, the driveway is narrow, and open to the elements, whereas the shop (only about 25 meters away from the house) has a nice smooth floor, heat and air conditioning, compressed air for tools, excellent lighting, organized parts bins, and about 800 watts of music system.

I see no benefit in trying to install an engine out in the open, when five minutes of rolling (once I have it out of the house) will get it to the shop.
Yeah I missed your reply ... work must be getting in the way of monitoring AlfaBB, lol.

I'm jealous of your separated from the house workshop. My current property has the modern garage attached to the house (stupid) concept (for men that have long since lost their balls and just own vehicles) which means if I make a noise or smell the rest of the family notice ... but the bonus is I keep it cleaner :). Next house will have a separate workshop, or basement workshop ... but we needed to buy this one to get back into the market as quite a fight so had to be quick.
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I bought this house for its extravagant man-cave structures. Two-car separated garage/shop, three other separate garage spaces, and a fourth separate garage that I planned to convert to a paint booth, but which is now “I’ll figure it out later” storage. Plus garden tool storage shed.

Shop has Reznor heater and swamp cooler. I added big air compressor and hard overhead lines. No in-floor lift, but I don’t have the ceiling height for that anyway.

With all that, I still feel short of room for storage.
 

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When painting aircraft, we carefully choose an undercoat for certain colors. Yellows are famous for being translucent, so we always spray a bright white under it, rather than just paint on top of whatever primer we used, most of which are not white. I've made the mistake of spraying a variety of such colors onto gray, or even off-white, primers, and been unhappy with the relative dullness of the final color. Whether this is true of modern automotive paints, I can't say, but the lacquers and enamels in use back in the 50s and 60s were identical to the aircraft formulations I'm most familiar with. We'll do some playing around before finalizing our mode of attack.

I've got the Borannis and Pirellis all mated up, and sitting in the storage garage against a day, hopefully not too far distant.

We're going to attempt to hang the doors, hood, and trunk next week, making sure any adjustments are done before color goes on. I'll be taking the guts of the door along to be sure they are fully loaded for the final tweaks. The driver's door appears to have suffered an over-opening at some point, as the skin just ahead of the door has a slight wrinkle. Easy to fix. The door itself shows no damage. Hmmmm.

Kelly reports both quarters are fully welded up, getting the final smoothing, and the spare tire well patch panels are welded in, getting the same tweaking.
 

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a restorer I know here in OZ puts the final colour tint in the primer. this gives great depth to the colour.

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a restorer I know here in OZ puts the final colour tint in the primer. this gives great depth to the colour.

cheers Ian
Yes. The point being that most paints and colors are translucent, to varying degrees. Generally, yellows are the worst in this regard.

I originally met my body guy, Kelly, when he was introduced as the local paint color wizard. My original understanding was paint was the only thing he did, but as I came to know him I discovered a host of talents. He used to own a well regarded body shop up at Tahoe, but decided to retire so he could work on fun stuff rather than insurance jobs. His home shop always has stuff that provokes a smile, ranging from an old Riley, to an MGA twincam, to a complete Blackhawk helicopter. He became sufficiently enthused by my 102 to accept the job. I’ll probably give him my rotisserie when we’re done, as I CERTAINLY won’t do another 102. But if I do, at least this time the tool will be nearby.

Giallo Paglierino won’t be satisfactorily realized by just painting it a light yellow. It needs to look translucent and radiant. The green tint must not be seen, it must be subconsciously sensed. The sheen will need to be deep, like perfectly buffed lacquer used to appear......... for a little while.

I have faith in Kelly. He’s a motivated, and motivating, guy.
 

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There is nothing like a fresh set of Borrani wire wheels to perk-up an old Touring Roadster!

While I'd love to have a new set of Pirelli tires, they sort of remind me of rain or snow tires. Perhaps the edge of the tire gives them a more aggressive bite.

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It feels to me that the Borannis are lighter than the stock wheels. I haven’t weighed them, so maybe it’s wishful imagination.

I think the Pirelli tread has a much more sporting look than the Michelin. Whether the figuring on the edge is a factor, I dunno. As I’ve reported elsewhere, the handling of the Pirellis when driven aggressively is a reminder it’s a touring car, not a sports car. My set of P4s on the 16” Daytons handle spirited driving much more securely. However, 99.9% of my driving is relaxed touring, so 400’s are my choice for now. Softer ride, and lighter steering.
 

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I believe the Borrani wheels are noticably lighter than the stock steel wheels. I probably weighed both wheels during the conversion, almost 20 years ago. The bare wire wheels are fairly light. It seemed that the Michelin tires (165x400mm) were very heavy and that makes me wonder if the Pirelli tires weigh any less than the Michelins?

My car came with Bilstein shocks, the ride always seems light and controlled. I suspect the springs are stock but can't say for sure.

If the Borrani spokes or nipples are chrome plated carbon steel (you can check with a magnet), keep them dry. I have seen several sets of Borrani wire wheels with red rust emanating from where the spokes and nipples come together. Cork Adams built my Borranis with stainless steel nipples and spokes but when I wash the wheels (both times), I always use compressed air to blow the excess water off the spokes and nipples and dry the wheels thoroughly.

Keep up the good work!

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Don, as you know my 2000 Touring car came with the same Giallo Paglierino. To my eyes not the greatest color. It appears to have been originally a lacquer product with a light grey primer. My limited experience with lacquer is that it is a thin coating with several needed to have depth. When buying my yellow paint, they stressed to use a white or buff color primer. The urethane single-stage used now are definitely much better at covering - just 2 coats sometimes. I did a test with the yellow urethane(BASF RM Uno brand) I've purchased on sheet metal with white, grey and black primer painted on it. After 2 somewhat heavy coats, I could not see the difference - all one color yellow. But my yellow color does seem to have a bit more solids. When I do a panel I will truly see the results.
 

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I had to do some touch up on the first Stampe we owned. I may post a picture of it here someday, just for giggles. I think we used something like six colors to paint color-gradiated lightning bolts on the wings and fuselage. I used the same paint for an inspection panel that the lightning bolt covered. In the reasonably well lit hangar paint booth where I applied the paint, the orange exactly matched what we put on the fuselage skin. Out in the bright sunlight..... oops.

I finally received my freshly replated hardware back from Larry. Phew! Didn’t want that box to get lost. I’m now able to complete the half dozen subassemblies covering all my benches and saw horses.

Pics to follow.
 

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“If you remember the 70s, you weren’t really there”

I’m reminded of Lincoln’s wisdom “if I’m given four hours to cut down a tree, I would spend the first three hours sharpening my axe.”

Staring down at 40 pounds of freshly plated hardware, I found myself wondering if certain agricultural experiments left behind in the 70s, and now legal in Nevada, might not be a useful way to make the torturous hours sorting small items by type and size an easier ordeal to survive.

The thought passed, and I got down to work.

I simultaneously began baking the first of four pieces of plexi in my homemade oven, hoping to learn how to form a new rear windscreen before I used up all of the pieces. I checked on the oven every five or ten minutes, smoothing the plexi as it dropped and formed over the plaster mold.

At some point I sort of entered a “fugue state” (my grandson and I are bingeing “Breaking Bad” over several nights), suddenly realizing it had been about 15 minutes since my last oven check.

We call this “practice”.

I’ve now filled nine plastic parts boxes, and have a strategy for plexi-molding, part deux.

I’ll post pics tomorrow. IPad offers no easy way to compress photos to suit the B.B. constraints.
 

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The fits

I spent most of the day yesterday with Kelly, getting the doors, trunk lid, and hood to fit. You may recall that the left door was detached when I got the car, and the right had only a lower hinge pin in place. Plus, the trunk lid was standing high on the forward left corner. Something must have been going on.

We began work on the trunk lid. After awhile, and the careful placement of one washer under the hinge in its receptacle, it now sits very close to where we want it. There'll be some fine tuning of a few discontinuities around the edge, but no major work required.

The right door was hung, and all of the internal goodies dropped into place to see how it sat. Not bad, actually. One little piece of the lower front door jamb needs to have its edge made continuously linear.

The left door was a bigger problem. We had to bump the forward upward door face to raise the rear of the door. It only took a small amount, and it came up very close. Kelly has not yet trimmed the upper edge of the new rocker panel, so fine tuning will take place over the next few days.

The hood dropped into place, and sat perfect from the beginning. Woo hoo. Kelly admitted he didn't think we'd get them all to fit in one day. This leaves him ready to do all of the tiny corrections to bring back the original Touring gap lines. After watching him work, he knows his stuff, so I'm relieved.

The spare tire well appears to be brand new. No seams or discontinuities visible. Ditto on the new rockers. I didn't take a close look at the front and rear valence areas, but could see they've been getting the same attention.

Very excited. We hope to be picking color within a couple of weeks, but I'd give it a month before it is going on.
 

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