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:wink2:So maybe I don't understand all this but it seems to me that the worker who was installing the plate dropped the first one and didn't want to bother taking anything apart so he(or she) just went and got another one???
I like this theory.

However, the car offers an unusual forensic trail. It is almost entirely original, and unmolested. But, they did a few things. Repainted the Giallo Paglierino to (ugh) Alfa Red. Did some unspecified work on the right front suspicion.

All of the tags are missing from the car, which may have been done prior to the repaint. I don’t think they repainted the engine bay, however. But, since the Touring tags are gone, I’m guessing that’s when the ID plate would have been unscrewed and dropped into the void.

A nice piece to recover. Hopefully the others will peak out from somewhere as well.
 

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love to see pics of your own open rockers, be good to have perspective on what were dealing with
 

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I expect to be at the body shop in the next day or two, and will post pics.
 

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The I.D. plate has black spray paint overspray on it, except where the rivets were. That may indicate the plate was removed and dropped while the engine compartment was being repainted.

What is the engine number, Don?


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We don’t know the original engine number.

Bob, the PO, was the Alfa dealer in Austin for several years. A regular customer with a 2000 came in with a sick bottom end, and Bob sold him the lower half of the engine from 1488, plus the exchange of the sick engine. It was a perfectly reasonable deal at the time.

I’ll be installing the engine some of you have seen in my display case, as it’s apparently from the same year.

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From the picture of the id plate. It almost looks like there is a engine number faintly stamped into it.
 
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Post 1959, the Touring cars’ data plates contained just the motor “type”. In this case, it is 00204. If it were a 59 or earlier, the plate would be stamped something like 00204 01533, the latter grouping of numbers completing the serial number.

Replica Data plates can be arranged that look quite good. It’s just kinda nice to find the original, and it’s not all scratched and beaten up as they often are.

I spoke with Kelly yesterday. He’s got the rocker entirely replaced on one side, and should finish the other in the coming week. He took pics before closing things in, and I’ll get pics of the other side on Monday. He estimates he’ll be ready to apply color by the end of April. Picture me wagging my tail. Ok. Maybe not that...
 

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Display engine

Hi Don, do you have any pictures of your display case engine? It would be fun to see.
Start at post #662, I think on page 45, of http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/1900-2000-2600-1950-1968/145807-102-rio-resto-begins-45.html

I used 3” casters (I think), but this mother is heavy. Shoulda used 5”, at least. I’m torn between taking it out of the family room as is, or trying to bring my engine hoist down to the house, pulling the assembled unit out of the box, splitting the engine from the trans, and wheeling just the engine back up to the shop. I’ll probably battle the whole thing back up to the shop, as I’ll be putting my second spare engine back into the box, and could take the opportunity to upgrade the casters.

Based upon my research, the display engine is from the same year as 1488, so close as I can get. Bob seems to think there’s no hope of chasing down the original crankcase.
 
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Thanks Don for the pictures, that is a beautiful motor and transmission! Good luck getting it up to the garage, I see what you are saying about the small castors. Really enjoying your build. I grew up with Alfa's. I still have my very first car, a 59 spider normal. My friends dad at the time drove a 102 spider as his daily driver. and his son still has it in his garage. Hopefully he can get on it and get it back on the road.

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Start at post #662, I think on page 45, of http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/1900-2000-2600-1950-1968/145807-102-rio-resto-begins-45.html
I’ll probably battle the whole thing back up to the shop, as I’ll be putting my second spare engine back into the box, and could take the opportunity to upgrade the casters.

Based upon my research, the display engine is from the same year as 1488, so close as I can get.
The I.D. plate was definitely a nice find. It was very good that your body man recognized it as something of importance.

Putting your 'display' engine into 1488 may require more work but it is the logical thing to do.

Dragging the display motor out of your house with your engine lift does not sound like a good plan. Thresholds and steps would be a big impediment. Perhaps 5 or 6 of your grandson's buddies could make moving the display case easy -for pizza. Many hands make light work.

Why not install your display motor, complete with the display transmission? You could always rebuild 1488's tranny for the display case.

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The trans out of 1488, presumed to be original and relatively low time, is over with Larry jr at APE getting done now. The only holdup was having all of my hardware replated (black, of course), but that’s been delivered and I think Larry will be buttoning up the trans shortly.

If there was a timing roadblock, I would have used the display trans, which Larry already did. However, the current state of affairs includes several dozen parallel initiatives, hopefully all coalescing in my shop in about a month or two for assembly into and onto the body.

What could possibly go wrong?
 

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If you don't have them on there. Get phenolic wheels for your cart. I have 9 or 10 wooden carts I've made with 350 pound rated 3 inch phenolic wheels on them and have no problem moving 1000 plus pound motors around.

All other caster wheels tend to flatten from sitting.

McMaster Carr has a get selection. I use their Cart-King Casters with Phenolic Wheels.
 

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I expect larger casters are going to require new mounting plates to be fabbed. Best to have the box in the shop for that.

The hard part with moving the box is, as you noted, the changes in continuity through doors. The box is too wide for the only grade-level door, so I’ve got to take it up a ramp through a dismounted sliding glass patio door which is about a foot higher than the floor. Going down the Jerry-rigged ramp was a real grunt. Going up..... bleh.

The top of the box is 1/2” plate glass. That is also heavy, but will be taken off before the move.

I assumed moving this box was going to be left to my heirs.
 
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If you don't have them on there. Get phenolic wheels for your cart. I have 9 or 10 wooden carts I've made with 350 pound rated 3 inch phenolic wheels on them and have no problem moving 1000 plus pound motors around.

All other caster wheels tend to flatten from sitting.

McMaster Carr has a get selection. I use their Cart-King Casters with Phenolic Wheels.
I found a good source for casters, but will have to look up the name. Everything works ok on smooth concrete. This box had to come down, and will go back up, a typically bumpy asphalt driveway. Bigger is better for getting over peagravel and similar.
 

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I found a good source for casters, but will have to look up the name. Everything works ok on smooth concrete. This box had to come down, and will go back up, a typically bumpy asphalt driveway. Bigger is better for getting over peagravel and similar.
The Phenolic Wheels are great especially if a lot of weight is going to be sitting on them for a long time.
 

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Regarding the logistics of moving your 102 Engine & trans display case .. two suggestions:

1) Jack up the case, remove the casters .. move on rollers (steel pipe).

2) Fabricate a dolly using larger casters, jack up the case and slide dolly underneath.

As far as moving the rolling load uphill, use a winch. A cheapo HF winch can be purchased for $50.

Thanks for posting your project, the entertainment value is priceless !
 

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Maybe wait until the car is a roller, and take the car to the engine, install the engine and then drive it back up to the shed.

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I’ve generally relied upon a highly calibrated BFH to solve delicate problems with maximum odds of inflicting crippling pain, or devastating expense.

The problem with moving the display engine is getting it out of the house. Once out, a rope and the “Whatatruck” will get it up the hill.

I haven’t posted much lately, but work is rolling forward. Mainly, in spite of pictures piling up, I’ve been traveling, so no time to post. I’m currently in Jackpot, NV playing in a bridge tournament. Taylor (the guy in Sac with the 102 I helped sell on BaT) looked up Jackpot on Yelp, and informed me that the biggest attraction here was “Annie’s trannies and hot phone girls”.

See. Retirement offers all sorts of thrilling options.
 
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