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Don't know if anyone is interested, but a vendor I've been working with for probably ten years has a longstanding relationship with Kingsborne. I've been buying those wires for my Saabs since around 2000, and they've never let me down.

Anyway, I'm ordering a set for the Milano - they're $125+shipping for the 8mm wires from Import Parts Specialists (Import Parts Specialists, Inc.). Seems like a pretty good price, and IPS is a pleasure to work with. You can't order them from their website, you have to email...

I don't know if this is a good price or a bad price, but it's what I found. :)
 

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Mine should be here on 3 Dec

I ordered mine straight from Kingsborne ($115 shipment included)
They should arrive on 3Dec
Compared to IAP prices they are a steal

I'll keep you updated once I've installed them

Marc
1987 Milano Gold
 

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Kingsbourne makes a great wire set with OE connectors. I have them on my 164S and have a set for my GTV6 when needed. I have been using Bosch on my 164L and they are fine also. I get mine direct from the factory north of San Diego in Encinitas.
 

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Received my wires from Kingsborne.
Somebody forgot to put the rubber boots on !!!
Returned wires, should receive another set by Wednesday

Marc

Click on the link below for pics of my Spider and Milano
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What do you mean "the factory look?" The wires go in the same places and do the same things...? Mine happen to be red, but they're available in black (and blue, IIRC), too.
 

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Bad set AGAIN from Kingsborne

Just received a replacement set from Kingsborne.
The first set was missing the rubber boots.

This set has the rubber boots and is complete.
BUT ...
Wire Number 1, 2 and 3 are about an inch too short.
Wire Number 6 is about 1/2 inch too short (this wire kinda fits but there is a lot of stress on it)
The boot for the distributor does not fit.

So far NOT impressed with their so called custom made product.

Marc
 

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Crap... now you have me worried. I'll check mine out tonight. I was hoping to install them with a bunch of other tuneup parts, but if they're not right I'd like the new ones en route sooner rather than later.

FWIW, the set on my Saab and my XR4Ti both fit perfectly...
 

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Installed mine, along with a new cap & rotor - new plugs tomorrow...

Anyway, all the wires fit well. I would like another 1/2" on the passenger side bank of cylinders, but the wires fit with no stress at all cylinders. The boot for the coil is poorly sized, but after warming it up a bit and adjusting the length of the exposed wire (to the coil) it fit cleanly. Really, it needs to be a good 1/4" bigger in diameter and 1/2" longer in length to match the factory. My wires do not have the "disc" on the wires at the distributor end to seal with the hood on the distributor. Not sure if they're supposed to, but I don't care much, either.

Overall, I'm happy with the money spent. I wasn't interested in paying $200 for the genuine parts, and didn't have any Magnecor wires (my first choice) to compare with. Had I, I might have sprung for the Magnecors since the price difference isn't huge, but I have no real complaints about fit or finish.

Now I just need to put in some new plugs and acquire something to hold the wires in place - the factory clips are too small for the big manly wires. ;)
 

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Magna*****s they look horn but disappointed about fitting issues on Three sets keep popping off at the spark plug wells....

John
 

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Aftermarket Wires

Aftermarket Wires are sold by a marketing concept that there is something gained over standard production ignition wires. In reality the gain is in their pocket.
Clean separated stock wires will do the deed. There is no need to spend a multiple of the cost of stock wires. But, it makes others think you have something special!
Often you get less, and feedback problems that are costly!.
 

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Aftermarket Wires are sold by a marketing concept that there is something gained over standard production ignition wires. In reality the gain is in their pocket.
Clean separated stock wires will do the deed. There is no need to spend a multiple of the cost of stock wires. But, it makes others think you have something special!
Often you get less, and feedback problems that are costly!.
I agree in the case of Magnacore. Kingsborne is less than the OE wire and way less than Magnacore (Magnacore does not use Italian OE conectors) and they build a great product. Allen Johnson Racing sells them for their Porsche race cars as well as for Alfa but I say buy them direct and save money.
 

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Aftermarket Wires are sold by a marketing concept that there is something gained over standard production ignition wires. In reality the gain is in their pocket.
Clean separated stock wires will do the deed. There is no need to spend a multiple of the cost of stock wires. But, it makes others think you have something special!
Often you get less, and feedback problems that are costly!.
I'm curious exactly what you're saying here... are you dumping on Kingsborne or Magnecor wires? Also, is there some specific reason as to why you think either or both are inferior to the factory wires?

My experience with Magnecor has been nothing short of stellar, and their lifetime warranty is impossible to beat. I've gotten 10 years worth of service from them on a 300hp Saab turbo, including one free replacement - that alone was worth paying double the cost of factory wires (which are very high quality in themselves). They've also been excellent performers on my XR4Ti, which tends to bake them around the exhaust manifold/turbo - no such problems with the Magnecors.

I've never used the Kingsborne wires in a performance application, but the Beru stock that they're made from is pretty high quality stuff, and well made. They've proven quite durable, and good at noise suppression (which is a concern for the boost controller in a Saab). I don't think they're up to the standards that Magnecors are, but in comparing a $115 set of Kingsborne wires to a $120 set of factory (from IAP) wires, I'm really can't see how they're a bad choice. I'm sure they could be had cheaper buying the wire and terminals in bulk and building yourself, but who wants that hassle?

I really don't know squat about Alfas, especially as far as performance is concerned - I've only got experience with other cars/applications to draw from...
 
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