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Dear Alfisti,

My name is Raphaël Niro.
I'm a 23 years old student (last year master in management at HEC-Ulg) and I come from Belgium.

One month ago (5th september 2014), I've bought an Alfa Roméo GT Junior 1600 Z (chassis n°394) to a retired man called M. Duesberg who lives in Trooz not far away from my hometown Herve.
I'm very proud of this barn find because it was my dream to own a rare italian car.
I am a classic car fanatic, my father's family is Italian and I am proud of my roots. Maybe this explains it...
I've looked for it for 3 years and I've saved money since I was 18 years old.
I know I've had a lot of luck to find this Zagato. Anyway, I've literally emptied my savings account for this lost car...

According to M. Fazio from Centro Documentazione Alfa Roméo, this chassis number AR 3060394 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo 1600 Junior Z (115.24), manufactured on the 18th October 1973 and sold on the 30th October 1973 to Alfa Romeo Belgium. The body colour is metallic grey, with leather tex interiors.

You can find more informations about my car here :
Alfa Romeo Junior Zagato 1600 3060394

As you can see, the car is not original and must be completely restored!

It'll be awesome to me if I can share this restoration with you and have your advice! :)

I'm looking forward to hearing from you soon,

R.NIRO
 

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Looks like it will be quite an effort. Worth it though, if you love the car.

The interior looks functional. Funny how extra switches and accessories seem to get added to Z's by previous owners. Mine had a switch added for interior lights, fog lights and something I'm not even sure of.

How are the rockers and floors? Anything left of them? Post some more photos.

Lucky for you there seems to be greater availability of body panels for Z's these days. This wasn't the case when I started my restoration. They're not cheap but unless you're a panel beater it'll be cheaper than having them made.

Does it have the original motor?

Congrats on your find!

cheers,
Brian
 

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Thanks Brian,

The interior is original (seats, doors panels, floor mat,...) but like you've mentioned there are extra switches for interior lights that I'm going to remove...

The exterior is quite nice except this awful front bumper that I've immediately removed like you can see in the last picture of zagato-cars article. There are rust but it's normal for an italian car of this age.

The motor is original too and has 30.000Km because the car was idle in the previous owner's garage for 25 years!
I have also the original Zagato's keys. I've read that this is quite rare to own it...

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Nice. Article came out great. I forgot how well your car turned out too!
Niro, I did not see your question until now... exterior door handle gaskets? There are none that I know of.
 

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Nice work and great article!
Good to see I'm not the only one crazy enough to restore this car...
@Alfiat
By exterior door handle gaskets, I mean "base plate".
Jack from Zagato-cars told me it's impossible to find it so I'm going to make it with resin..

For people interested with my restoration, I've bought a hydraulic ramp and still continue to
dismantle it. I have not a lot of time because I have to write my university research essay but I'm not discouraged at all to restore my car...
 

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Hello, you are a luckyman!!!
Great car!!
Great found!!!
It,s complete!!! Only for the front bumper???

Keep it around as much as possible the original.
Thanks for the support!
Yes only the front bumper is missing and I don't know where I can find one of this... Any idea?
The car will be restore in its original shape don't worry!
I'll post some pictures of the restoration here and hope my car would be ready in end 2016!

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Hello Raphaël-

Per don515jz in this post, front bumper reproductions are available from Frank Hanel Gmbh.

Good luck!

-Jason
Seattle, WA USA
Hello Jason,

Just find one original 1600 Z front bumper in Italy.
Asking price : 1.500€ (without shipping costs)
I don't have enough money for this right now my priority is to restore the bodywork.
Thanks for this link, I'll keep it in mind!

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UPDATE

Dear Alfisti,

After a few hours working with my dad, the mechanics are outside!
I find that the car looks terrifying in the first black and white picture, hope it will not stay as long...

I've also removed the rear hatch and I've find this nice plate you can see in the last picture.

"Since Alfa and Zagato used a number of paint suppliers, they had the presence of mind to give each car a little tag showing which brand and color number the body was originally painted in. This little aluminum and self-adhesive tag is stuck on the inside of the rear hatch. If your car has been repainted, it could very well be that this tag has gone lost since it has to be removed in order to paint the inside of the hatch."

SOURCE : Identifying your JZ 1300

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What is underneath the green label?

Hello Raphaël,

Good work! Nice project.
It seems that the original paint sticker has been retained and that someone added new information (in green labels) concerning the paintcode that was used to paint the car. I am curious as to what paintcode is underneath the green label.
Please keep us posted on your progress.

Ciao, Olaf
 

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Hello everyone,

It's been awhile since I post pictures of my car here.
My car will be ready to go to the coachbuilder by the end of this year.
This is a big deal to disassemble my car because of the rust...

I've received some parts : upper front panel, lower front panel, both headlight frames, both front fenders, both sills and rear bumper.
This was not cheap but I'm really happy about the quality (handmade reproduction from original parts).
Next week, I will buy original front bumper from another 1600Z owner who has both of it and lives close to my house.
It will be the first time that I will see another 1600 Z, can't wait to see it!

If you have any question about disassembled parts from 1600Z, feel free to ask!
I have a lots of another pictures that can maybe help some of you.
But max allowed pictures are 249 KB and mine are bigger...


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@Zagato_Olaf : To answer to your old question about the original paint sticker (sorry).
Under the green label, there is... nothing.
In this original sticker, there is the name of a company : Palini Vernici SRL.
I spoke with someone from this company and I will have exactly the same original color paint for my car.

This is part of conversation we had few weeks ago :

Me : Ciao io sono il proprietario di Alfa Romeo Zagato 1600 numero 394 del 1973. Questa vettura è barnfind per 25 anni e ho ripristinarlo. Trovo un piatto con la vostra azienda in macchina. Puoi dirmi di più, per favore? E 'significativo per ulteriori informazioni sulla mia macchina.

Palini : Gent.le Raphaël, Grazie per il messaggio. Il nostro Colorimetry Department sta verificando le informazioni riguardanti la sua auto, Alfa Romeo Zagato 1600. Nel caso ci siano altre informazioni riportate sulla carrozzeria ci invii pure altre foto. Grazie e buona giornata.

Palini : La formula colore originale presente nei nostri DB è Alfa Romeo 737 Grigio Met. utilizzata negli anni 72-77.

Me : Colore Dupont?

Palini : Colore Palinal - verniciatura originale


This is what I find strange... Why the sticker mentions Dupont (which is a paint brand) and Palini (a paint brand too) at the same time? It has no sense...
So maybe... Dupont refers to the name of the first owner? Dupont is a well known name in Belgium.
I ask by mail the DIV (vehicle registration service) to be able to know the name of the first owner of my car but the guy was not very kind with me.
When my car will be finish I will go at his office and make him an offer he can't refuse ahaha.
 

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Niro, can you post some pictures as you restore the body? I'm interested to see your progress. I was lucky in that my Z body was in really good shape. I'm always envious of those who can do this level of repair.
 

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Hello Niro,

I saw your post on the paint sticker today. Strange that nothing is underneath the green tape. I will make a picture of my paintsticker in the coming weeks to show you a sticker as a reference. My car was repainted in a slightly brighter yellow in the 70s and repainted the original Oro Giallo Zagato in 2003. The paintsticker was still present so we could aply the correct color without hesitation. No green tape on that sticker, just the registration of the color code AR 117 and the name of the paint.
 

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Upper front panel.

Good morning Niro,
this sheet metal work is very good.
I'm in a process similar to yours.
My car is 1300Z and I need the upper front panel and front bumper.
can you tell me where you've done and what is the price.
best regards Alex



 
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