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Hello my name is Roy and I'm reading your BB for some years now.

I have never posted before because I could find all I was looking for on BB in the Netherlands. I owened several Alfa's: 33 1.3 1990, 164 TS 1990, Spider (916) 1995, 75 Imola (1992).
In my collection nowadays are a: 164 3.0 V6 24V; GTV (916); SZ 1991.

Now the TZ question and why I finally place a thread.
During the years I have read your BB I noticed that there is a lott of information an knowledge of the Alfa Romeo TZ.
A friend of mine is looking for one now and did find a TZ-1 in the Netherlands.

You can see it at:
http://www.vsoc.nl/collection_details_cars.asp?carsbrandid=3&carsid=480

Problem is (like always) it this the real deal?
Next week I can place some chassis and engine numbers. Is ther anything else we should look for?


Giulia TZ 1 1965
We are very pleased to offer Alfa Romeo Giulia Tubolare Zagato chassis number 75. The TZ was conceived as a replacement for the Giulietta Sprint Zagato, and first developed as a roadster then as a coupe, it was finally presented in 1963 after a more than 3 year development. It consisted of a tubular chassis carrying very nice and light Zagato alloy bodywork. Engine at first was a 1.6 litre 4 cylinder twin cam as to be used in the Giulia Berlina with 112 bhp. The result was a very light and agile car with a good power to weight ratio. After its first appearance in competition the TZ was immediately capable of winning its class in many important races and rallies as the 1000 km at the Nurnburgring, the 24 hours of Le Mans, Sebring, the Coupe des Alpes and the Tour de Corse. In 1965 a further development was the fitting of the newly developed twin plug racing engines also used in the 1600 GTA. Power could go to 170 bhp at full race tune, not bad with 660 kg! The car we offer is a car sold new to France and was used in rallies in 1965 among others in the Coupe des Alpes. After several French owners the car was stored from 1979 until found in 2002. The bodywork is nice and old with scars from its competition career. It carries a fibreglass engine bonnet. It has the twin plug head fitted, Weber 45 carburettors, adjustable suspension, magnesium parts, the lightweight seats, doors and plexiglass windows, magnesium wheels, dunlop brakes etc. The interior is nice and old with all instruments fitted. After its discovery, which was described in Classic and Sportscar in the lost and found section, the car was mechanically fettled by a well known German Alfa specialist so it could perform on the road and in rallies. The bodywork was left as it was, old and with scars. It has since then participated in several events as the Vernasca Hill Climb in Italy. The car comes with EC road registration and FIA paperwork, old papers, several period pictures and is a rare opportunity to buy an unrestored TZ. Inspection recommended!

Thanks in advance,

Roy
 

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According to Olczyk's book "Alfa Romeo TZ, The Cars, The Race Results" the car was sold in Belgium in 2002. That same year the car began to be restored.
There is something weird with the history of the car though if we read from this book. The first reg.plate of the car was "6677 CQ 13". In 1965 it participated at the Coupes des Alpes and in 1967 it was sold to Lanchais while changing its reg.plate to "293 UA 75". In 1968 it was sold to Barthelemy and once again changed reg.plate to "7390 AP 94". This is the plate with which the car has been found in 2002. However the book states that in 1979 the car changed its reg.plate again to "2210 QX 50". This should be the last reg.plate of the car. However the car had been found with with a reg.plate that had been in use from 1968 through 1979.

I would recommend to thoroughly inspect the period papers and documents. Last but not least bring with you someone who has a vast knowledge of the cars in question, like dretceterini for example... :D

Well, what's the asked price?
 

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Thanks for the information
 

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Introduction and TZ Question

I would recommend to thoroughly inspect the period papers and documents. Last but not least bring with you someone who has a vast knowledge of the cars in question, like dretceterini for example... :D

Well, what's the asked price?
Welcome to the bb....

I agree, try to find as many reliable, authoritative sources in addition to the one that you listed as documentation of the "legitimacy" of the car. Any car that has changed plates and numbers numerous times raises a red flag, which may be fine with you or your friend, but in the event of a future sale, you should have the provenance of the car clearly defined or you may find that you will own the car for the rest of your life. In a way, it's kind of like buying a car with a salvage title, but not exactly.

Good luck in your quest for authenticity and ownership of the car. Hopefully, some others that know TZs will read the the thread and offer their opinion and/or knowledge.
 

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Thanks for the information
This is nothing! And i am sorry to forget to welcome you! :eek:
Be sure that you will find answers to the most difficult questions you might have by numerous (a lot more than me) knowledgeable people in this forum!

So, welcome to this forum!:)
 

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This car was for sale in the UK for quite some time and didn't sell.The reputable dealer over here did not own the car,I don't know if the current vendor is actually the owner.
It is worth reading ALL the TZ threads on this board, as they contain a great deal of information, good and bad, on the cars.
Unfortunately the TZ market is a minefield, be sure to tread carefully.


Chris
 
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