[Nipper]

I have searched the forums looking for Alfa Romeo 75 3.0 V6 production numbers, I'm sorry to bring this up again for the billionth time.

To be a little more specific I'm not interested in Milano 3.0 V6, I believe I can remeber reading that there were 883 produced so I don't need to know that. What I am interested in is if anyone has any info on the amount of 75 3.0 V6s that were imported to Australia if that is even possible. If it's not total production would still be great. I recall seeing something about all the 3.0 V6 75's which included the Milano Verde in the world and I think total production came to 9500 total from 87-92. Now say that 880 of the 9500 are Verdes, that leaves around 8600 75 3.0 V6s. If I divide 8600 by 5 (produced for 5 years from 87-92) that gives me about 1700 alfa 75 3.0 V6 made each year. I'm sure it wouldn't work like that as they probably sold the bulk of them in the first few years but anyway.

Does somebody know of approximate numbers or can I only assume there were about 8600 75 3.0 V6's in the world?

I guess I should also tell why I am so desperate to know these figures. With the renewal of my insurance I noticed a few "errors" on my insurance policy so my father called the insurance company to find out what the deal was (I haven't had a chance to call as I work 9-5 every day) Dad basically ended up arguing over the agreed value of my car and didn't get far. The person who dad was talking to on the phone basically said that 75 3.0 V6s were a dime a dozen, in other words he was saying that they are a very common car. I am going to call them myself this week and i would at least like to know what the approx production total was so I can get a bit of leverage over them. I can't tell you how much my blood is boiling at this point.

Please feel free to comment, Please!

On another topic, it would be amusing to read if anyone else has had any drama's due to know it all insuarce agencies.

Thanks

 

[Rookie ROX]

I can't help you, but also would be interested to know figures.

Having said that, dime a dozen? Hahaha. There's probably a maximum 20 or so 75s (2.5, 3.0, 2.0) for sale in all of Australia at any one time. Maybe five 3.0Ls if you were lucky.

ROCK ON
R~R

 

[Nipper]

I can't help you, but also would be interested to know figures.

Having said that, dime a dozen? Hahaha. There's probably a maximum 20 or so 75s (2.5, 3.0, 2.0) for sale in all of Australia at any one time. Maybe five 3.0Ls if you were lucky.

ROCK ON
R~R

I know! I almost choked on my spit when dad mentioned that. If you look on carsales.com.au there are 10 75's for sale, only two with 3 litre engines and both have high km's

I should also mention that Shannons is the insurance company I am talking about. They claim to be the insurance company for enthusiasts but they won't have any left if they go on like this.

 

[realdriver]

These numbers come from the Centro Storico.

ALFA 75 1.6
1985
1988
66992

75 1.6
1988
1991
32530

ALFA 75 1.8
1985
1989
41969

ALFA 75 1.8
1986
1987
272

75 1.8
1988
1990
1796

ALFA 75 1.8 G.D.
1986
1988
1101

ALFA 75 2.0 TURBO D
1985
1989
36710

75 2.0 TURBODIESEL
1988
1992
9563

75 1.8 I.E. TURBOBENZINA POTENZIATA
1991
1991
703

ALFA 75 2.0
1985
1988
18137

ALFA 75 2.0CH 87
1986
1987
831

ALFA 75 2.0 G.D.
1985
1985
1

ALFA 75 2.0 MOTRONIC
1987
1987
2

75 1.6 I.E.
1991
1991
1170

75 1.6 I.E. DEINQUINATA
1991
1991
1725

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.A. M.Y. 87"
1985
1987
1499

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.O."
1986
1989
3260

ALFA 75 MILANO Q.O. M.Y. 88
1987
1988
118

75 MILANO Q.O. M.Y. 89
1988
1989
206

75 MILANO Q.O M.Y. 89
1988
1988
125

ALFA 75 BERL. 2.5 QUADR. VERDE
1985
1989
2134

ALFA 75 2.5 QUADRIFOGLIO VERDE G.D.
1986
1989
775

75 3.0 AMERICA
1986
1988
1914

75 3.0 AMERICA
1988
1990
281

ALFA 75 3.0 AMERICA GBR
1987
1988
598

75 3.0 AMERICA
1988
1990
132

ALFA 75 2.0 TWIN SPARK 0
1986
1989
24994

75 2.0 TWIN SPARK
1988
1991
21462

ALFA 75 2.0 TWIN SPARK GBR
1987
1988
1388

75 2.0 TWIN SPARK GBR
1988
1991
1772

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 87"
1986
1987
365

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 88"
1986
1988
891

75 MILANO 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 89
1988
1989
62

75 MILANO 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 89
1988
1988
130

ALFA 75 BERL. 2.5 Q.V. D - CH - A
1986
1986
3

ALFA 75 BERL. 2.5 Q.V. D - CH - A
1987
1987
63

75 BERL. 2.5 Q.V. D - CH - A
1987
1987
157

75 1.8 I.E. DEINQUINATA
1991
1991
1531

ALFA 75 2.0 TWIN SPARK
1987
1988
3369

75 2.0 TWIN SPARK
1988
1991
6908

ALFA 75 2.0 TWIN SPARK AUS
1987
1988
132

75 2.0 TWIN SPARK AUS
1988
1990
330

ALFA 75 3.0 AMERICA D-CH
1987
1988
2172

75 3.0 AMERICA A - D - CH
1988
1990
1291

ALFA 75 3.0 AMERICA AUS
1986
1988
84

75 3.0 AMERICA AUS
1988
1989
80

ALFA 75 1.8 I.E. TURBO INTERCOOLER
1985
1987
5775

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.P."
1986
1987
1483

75 2.0 T.S.
1991
1991
2444

75 2.0 T.S.
1991
1992
302

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.A. C.A."
1986
1986
1

75 2.0 T.S. DEINQUINATA
1991
1991
702

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.O. C.A."
1987
1988
815

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.O. C.A."
1988
1989
211

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.O. C.A."
1988
1988
46

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" Q.P. C.A."
1986
1988
267

ALFA 75 1.8 T.BENZ. AMERICA
1987
1988
3205

75 1.8 I.E. TURBOBENZINA
1988
1990
2262

75 1.8 I.E. TURBOBENZINA POTENZIATA
1989
1991
1069

75 3.0 AMERICA
1989
1991
1342

75 3.0 AMERICA
1990
1991
234

75 1.8 I.E. POLIZIA
1990
1992
1194

75 1.8 I.E. CARABINIERI
1990
1992
2165

ALFA 75 1.8 I.E. TURBO INTERCOOLER
1986
1987
500

ALFA 75 SUPER 2.5 C.A. G.D.
1987
1988
445

75 2.5 C.A. GBR
1989
1991
160

75 2.0 T.S. BASE
1987
1988
284

75 2.0 TWIN SPARK
1988
1989
37

75 1.8 I.E.
1988
1989
15903

75 2.4 TURBODIESEL
1988
1991
6110

ALFA 75 1.8 CARABINIERI
1988
1990
1277

ALFA 75 1.8 POLIZIA
1988
1990
848

ALFA 75 2.0 I.E. BLINDATA
1989
1992
15

ALFA 75 1.8 I.E.
1989
1991
13100

ALFA 75 1.8 I.E. DEINQUINATA
1989
1992
3928

75 1.6 I.E.
1989
1992
20508

75 1.6 I.E.
1990
1992
4586

75 1.8 I.E.
1991
1991
3971

 

[realdriver]

Taking only the 3.0 versions, here's what we get:


75 3.0 AMERICA
1986
1988
1914

75 3.0 AMERICA
1988
1990
281

ALFA 75 3.0 AMERICA GBR
1987
1988
598

75 3.0 AMERICA
1988
1990
132

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 87"
1986
1987
365

"ALFA 75 ""MILANO"" 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 88"
1986
1988
891

75 MILANO 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 89
1988
1989
62

75 MILANO 3.0 Q.V. M.Y. 89
1988
1988
130


ALFA 75 3.0 AMERICA D-CH
1987
1988
2172

75 3.0 AMERICA A - D - CH
1988
1990
1291

ALFA 75 3.0 AMERICA AUS
1986
1988
84

75 3.0 AMERICA AUS
1988
1989
80

75 3.0 AMERICA
1989
1991
1342

75 3.0 AMERICA
1990
1991
234

Total 75/Milano 3.0 production: 9576

It seems that there are more than just 880 Milano Verdes

Total Milano Verdes: 1448

GBR is probably Great Britain

A: Austria
D: Germany
CH: Switzerland

AUS: Australia?

Difficult to tell...

 

[alfaspence]

man i didn't realise there was so many models of the same humble 75....

 

[realdriver]

man i didn't realise there was so many models of the same humble 75....

Yes, but there's a number for each year and for different markets, there aren't as many as that (although it is pretty complicated)

 

[alfaspence]

complicated? you aint kidding! i'll stick to building engines etc!
very interesting info tho, ive always wondered how many 3ltr 75's were made, as there doesn't seem to be many still on the road now

 

[Nipper]

Thanks for your input realdriver, that's the most I've ever read about 75 production numbers. So it seems the the 9600 number is about right, It is just breaking it down into each model. I wonder which model my 75 would fall under.

Thanks again guys.

 

[Craig]

G'Day Adam,

Looks like you have one of eighty, a series 2 75 3.0 AMERICA.

75 3.0 AMERICA AUS
1988
1989
80

 

[Rookie ROX]

Geez that's confusing!

So where do the Oz delivered 2.5s fall in?

ROCK ON
R~R

 

[new alfa75 owne]

hmmm, confusing... if i have an aus 3.0 from june 88, anyone know where that would fall?? Grey grille, orange instruments, white markings around the a/c vent adjustors. Mechanic said series 2.

 

[Craig]

G'Day Brian,

June 88 should be a series 1, the change was sep/oct 88.

Is the grill slatted (series 1) or honeycomb (series 2).
Is the rear reflector orange (series 1) or red (series 2). Not conclusive as some series 2 seem to have orange perhaps because of car colour.
Steering wheel, big round horn button (series 1).

I don't think any of this applies to the Milano.

See here for a series 1.

 

[new alfa75 owne]

Hi Craig, thanks for the input,
mine has the other steering wheel(no round horn) same grille and the orange boot reflector, but red skirts and has the little wing thing on the boot. also, mine has the orange instrument panel and all the buttons and stalks are orange?? any other deciding factors? no abs, i have the full history of the car so i know the steering wheel wasnt changed.
the mechanic was surprised that it didnt have the red grille.
Maybe i can show you sometime as i have no pics. I heard you are in the same suburb as me. PM if you're interested.

 

[realdriver]

Yes it is very complicated. These numbers were sent "as is" without any kind of instructions to the owner of a french Alfa site.

You can see the numbers sprouting out in other publications and books, so I suppose that they're the definitive data.

But I still don't understand some of the details. Some years overlap for example.

 

[alfaspence]

It would appear its not just oz that had hybrid cars! I had what i thought was a series one 3ltr,(registered 88) grey grill, orange dials etc but it didn't have the round horn steering wheel! none of my cars did!
my current 3ltr is registered 89, it has white controls/dials etc, honeycome grille, red reflectors etc!
Whatever parts are available for the production line at the time of assembly??

 

[Ozalfaracer]

Nipper: I'm really surprised about your crap response from Shannons. Everyone I know that uses them has had nothing but good things to say. I use them for a couple of cars, one of which is my 1975 "Fetta (build date 12/74...one of the early 1.8's). The guy from Shannons knew what it was, wanted to know all about it, never even blinked at the agreed value I wanted to put on it ($6,000) and the rate they charged for full coverage was very reasonable (I'm an old fart though, maybe that makes a difference). I know a guy with a number of hot rods, has 6 insured with Shannons, when he went to insure his road car (#7), they covered him for free! Really surprised to hear that your experience with them was unsatisfactory. Oh, I am in no way affiliated with Shannons except for being a customer.

What I am, though, is a big fan of the 75. I built and raced a 3.0 Milano when I lived in the USA; that car put the wind up many "faster" cars on a regular basis. Got any more pics of yours?

Cheers, Rick.

 

[Craig]

G'Day Brian,

any other deciding factors?

Build date. June 88 makes it a series 1. Sep/Oct and it could be either.

 

[realdriver]

I for one wouldn't classify the cars the way most do.

IMHO I don't think that the change between the slatted grey grill and the color coded one warrants a series swap from 1 to 2.

The very first cars ('85-'87) had carbs, no bodykit or spoiler (apart from the Turbo Evoluzione), a two tone interior (lower half of the dash is lightish grey), the round boss steering wheel. I would say that these cars are the first series.

In '87, there were many changes. There was the introduction of the 2L TS and 3.0 V6, which both received bodykits and the small spoiler. The wing mirrors changed (except for Milanos it seems. Although Verdes get the new mirrors). Wheel designs changed. The steering wheel changed. The interior is now dark grey. No more carburettors. '87 really is a year where A LOT of things changed on the cars. I would say that these cars are the second series (and not the first as everybody calls them).

In '89, the cars received the color coded grill, red rear lights and white instrument markings. I can't see this as being a bigger evolution step as the one made in '87. I like to call these series 2 1/2 or maybe series 3.

I am talking 75 evolution and not Milanos here as it seems that Milanos disn't always receive the changes that 75s got.

 

[Nipper]

Nipper: I'm really surprised about your crap response from Shannons. Everyone I know that uses them has had nothing but good things to say. I use them for a couple of cars, one of which is my 1975 "Fetta (build date 12/74...one of the early 1.8's). The guy from Shannons knew what it was, wanted to know all about it, never even blinked at the agreed value I wanted to put on it ($6,000) and the rate they charged for full coverage was very reasonable (I'm an old fart though, maybe that makes a difference). I know a guy with a number of hot rods, has 6 insured with Shannons, when he went to insure his road car (#7), they covered him for free! Really surprised to hear that your experience with them was unsatisfactory. Oh, I am in no way affiliated with Shannons except for being a customer.

What I am, though, is a big fan of the 75. I built and raced a 3.0 Milano when I lived in the USA; that car put the wind up many "faster" cars on a regular basis. Got any more pics of yours?

Cheers, Rick.

I'm sure it's just the Tasmanian Branch of Shannos that is full of twits. They told my father that 75 3.0 V6's were a dime a dozen (those were the exact words) I have talked to some nice guys from shannons but over the phone I've had nothing but trouble. As it turns out they raised my agreed value slighlty and reduced my premiums ever so slightly which is better than nothing. If I can get my car insured by another company for what it is worth than I will go there. Shannons have a very good name and a sticker on mywindshield is usually enough to make bystanders acknowledge that it must be "rare." I guess one of eighty could be considered rare! I will get some pics up of it for you although they are old as they may still have "P" plates on the winshield.