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Hi all,
I must first apologise for this being my first post. I'll admit that I'm a reader more than a responder on car forums but in my defence Ive been carless for almost a year and in many cases have little further info to add to the already knowledgable posts made on this forum.

I'm a keen alfa enthusiast after having owned a '99 T-Spark 156 that was handed on to me from my old man which i regrettably sold year for much less than it was worth considering it's pampered condition. My alfa mechanic (Max Oddi in Leichardt, Sydney) tells me the current owner looks after it well which makes it less painful to bare! The sadness of an alfa(love) lost!

Iam currently on the market for a 1750 either mk 1 or 2 in a fully restored or near perfect condition.
There is one currently for sale locally which fits the bill perfectly and my main question related mainly to price. With prices ranging from around 9 to 26k, the margin is huge. This seller is asking top dollar, indeed the highest I've ever heard of at 26k.
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1971 Alfa Romeo GT Veloce 1750 Series II.

This rare, well preserved & extremely fast 105 series 1750 GT Veloce is enthusiast owned and always garaged.

It is in stunning original condition, right down to the original chrome Vitaloni driver's side door mirror, unmarked original factory basketweave trim and factory original wheels with stainless steel hub caps.

This car looks standard & original but features fully rebuilt mechanicals with almost $15,000 alone spent on AUTODELTA type-specification performance enhancements which were carried out by well known Alfa Romeo race & rally marque specialists.

The performance delivered is definitely not for the faint-hearted. AUTODELTA is the performance subsidiary of Alfa Romeo, similar to what AMG is to Mercedes Benz.

This car also features a fully rebuilt gearbox, new heavy duty clutch, rare limited-slip differential, stainless steel extractors and exhaust system, unmarked chrome, correct Carello headlight lenses and correct period badging.


This example also has the rare dealership fitted period Webasto sunroof.

It also has log books and a comprehensive service history along with copious amounts of receipts for maintenance that has always been carried out by Alfa Romeo specialists. It has travelled low kilometres since being rebuilt at a cost approaching almost $30,000 with documented photographs & receipts.

This Alfa is in stunning original condition. It looks and drives superbly and can be driven reliably on a daily basis.

Included is a collection of rare & genuine Alfa 105 spare parts, along with a set of 4 x 14" genuine Cromodora "Ferrari Daytona" lightweight magnesium period alloy road/race wheels in brand new concours-standard condition to suit which will enhance roadholding and handling and also add instant cafe racer appeal.

I am downsizing my collection of rare Alfas & other exotica and this superb car must be sold. Suit enthusiast and/or collector.

Im currently in South America but returning to Sydney next week to check out the car with a friend who's conveniently a ferrari mechanic and car collector. I';; get a better idea then but can anyone give me a general indication of how much i should be paying.

Thanks very much in advance and i hope to see some of you and your cars soon and contribute to this forum soon. :)
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Max
 

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Hi Max, I'm no 1750 expert but most alfisti prefer the series 1, just a bit cleaner. As for the sunroof, do a search on this forum and you'll see a few opinions expressed! I'm thinking that the high price may be more to do with the Autodelta extras, you would want to get a specific list and get it confirmed by someone in the know. THis isnt a white one by any chance that was advertised last year for sale?
 

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Max, if it is everything the owner says it is, then it may well be worth $26k. But that's a big if!

There's no question a mint 105 could command $25k or more, so the question to be answered is how mint is the car, and you won't know that until you look at it.

There are a few things I would investigate. Firstly, he says the performance enhancements are 'autodelta type', which is a BIG difference from it being an Autodelta car. It sounds to me he is saying that the car has been modified in a similar way to the Autodelta cars. Well that's nothing unusual as there are basically a standard set of mods that people do to 105s, which closely resemble the type of mods that the factory did. So I'd find out exactly what mods were done to the car. Modifications don't necessarily increase it's value, some buyers would prefer an unmodified car.

The other major consideration with this car is rust. In my experience all unrestored 105s have rust. Unless it has been kept in a climate controlled building for 40 years, it's near inconceivable that it wouldn't have rust somewhere. 105s are great at hiding rust. I would actually prefer a restored car that's been rust-proofed than an original mint car, because the original car will still need restoring eventually as they weren't rust-proofed in the factory. Consider this, to restore the body on a 105 properly costs in the order of $12-15k if done by professionals.

But from the owners description it sounds like a lovely example.
 

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Oh Im getting really really mad now.

Max: This car is being sold in Dulwich Hill NSW by a guy called William? This car has been for sale for prices between 9950, 10950, 14950 and 24950, and has been on the market now for 23 months. It has been in Just cars, carsales and carpoint.

It has been discussed elsewhere on this forum and I believe someone even went and visited it and said it wasnt really that crash hot. Certainly not 26K.



Just clarifying, not mad at you or anything, just wish this car would go away and be bought by someone.
 

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Ok, I should add something constructive too I guess.

If your budget is stretches to that sort of amount, which ill assume it does seeing as you're thinking about this car, be patient and wait for a good car to come along, rather than taking the first one that shows. For that money you will get a very nice Serie 1 (which is nicer anyway), you just need to patient.

If you go to see this car, perhaps ask him why he keeps on changing the price. BTW, whoever it was on this board who went to see the car said the "Autodelta parts" claim was a load of garbage.
 

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Sorry for all the spamming... Just checked my records. This car was first placed on Carsales.com.au, on the 3rd of October 2005, for the princely sum of $9950. Something's going on here we don't know about!

Here are some previous discussions about the car.

There is something decidedly dodgy about this white 1750. I contacted the guy (who also has a red 'Sud for sale)
about this car when it was advertised at around $8K. Later I saw it amendeed to $9900, and now it's $20K !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I agree I get that feeling just reading through the advert.

Autodelta modifications my arse!!! More like AUTOBARN!!!!
There was a guy on the BB who looked at that car, but then reported that it had been sold... The plot thickens. I was also surprised to see the price climb to over two and a half times its original starting point, even after being reported 'sold'.
 

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Thanks very much for all your prompt replies. I have seen this happen too many times and it only means one thing!
Thanks for the pointer about the mk1 1750 generally being accepted as 'the' one to have. Acting rashly when purchasing a classic car is not hte prudent way to go!
I may go have a look just to get an idea though. I'll be sure to ask him why he keeps changing the price.
Apart from the online sites and the few that pop up in just cars that seem to be very pricey, are there any other resources that i should keep a tab on for any that may pop up?
Once again, all your advice is greatly appreciated.
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Hey Maxludo.
Maybe you can have a look at the car and give us your opinion.
A 1750 sold for $36,000 2 years ago..Came second in the AROCA NSW concourse and sold on the day.On the way to the purchases place (Orange),it blew a headgasket and received an entire engine rebuild etc,etc.
Recently resold in the $40,000 range.
At the end of the day,they are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

Robert
 

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Robert: Was that the Blu Francia car? That thing was beautiful and worth every cent I would reckon!

Max.. There are only really the obvious places, but these are the ones I check..

www.carsales.com.au / www.carpoint.com.au (now owned by the same mob, so the ads are all shared)
www.autotrader.com.au
www.carsguide.news.com.au
www.drive.com.au

Just Cars Magazine (print only)
AROCA VIC www.alfaclubvic.org.au
AROCA NSW www.alfaclubnsw.org.au
AROCA QLD www.aroca-qld.com

And a couple of dealers who every now and then may have a 105.

Dutton www.duttondirect.com
Shannons (Auctions & Park and Sell) www.shannons.com.au
Brooklands (VIC) www.brooklands.com
Rainsfords (SA) www.rcc.on.net
The Healey Factory www.healeyfactory.com.au


Hope that helps, good luck. BTW, consider getting a Sedan instead, you'll have a lot more fun. :D
 

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hey py105
it was a darkiish blue colour restored by Stillone at granville.
I actually thought it was cheap at $36,000.

Robert
 
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