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I brought the chassi from the US and I built the car with original Autodelta car parts for myself. Then later, I sold the car to OKP.

If you are interested in more photos, let me know and I will send you a few.

Best wishes,
Franco
Hello Franco,

Thank you for the pictures.
We can establish that your car (#1530853) was built by yourself and later sold.

Ciao, Olaf
 

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Hello Olaf,

I can't tell exactly when the list was compiled or by whom but I got it in the 70s while working as an Alfa Romeo mechanic. I'm a retired mechanic specializing in Alfa Romeo cars for over 50 years. During my carrier and after retiring I had restored and build nomerous calssic Alfa Romeo cars including these ones:

- the chassis number 1531230
this car was build with original Autodelta spare parts.



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Hello Olaf,

I can't tell exactly when the list was compiled or by whom but I got it in the 70s while working as an Alfa Romeo mechanic. I'm a retired mechanic specializing in Alfa Romeo cars for over 50 years. During my carrier and after retiring I had restored and build nomerous calssic Alfa Romeo cars including these ones:

- the chassis number 1531230
this car was build with original Autodelta spare parts.



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Hi Franco,

Thanks for you insightful contribution. However, I do not get the point yet.
This car reported is the 1531230?
So you are the ex-1531230 owner?
I am trying to reconstruct its history. So car had original italian papers or rather USA ones?

Thanks a lot in advance for your contribution.

Regards

Vito
 

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Latest update: December 29th 2020 /updated further December 31st 2021.

Hello members,

I thought it was time to start updating the compiled list with GTAm chassisnumbers of genuine and authentic cars (as of 30-12-2020). Thus making a new compilation of the information that we have gathered so far (until 30-12-2020) with information that has been gathered in the last seven years, here and on other social media. Thank you for all the members that contributed to this thread/database! But first, what exactly is a GTAm?

Definition:
As already said the GTAm was an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV USA (105.51) that had Spica fuelinjection. It had two brake boosters and standing pedals. These cars were converted by Autodelta to GTAm specification. The homologation papers specify what changes could be made. Autodelta had a complete list of options to convert the car into a GTAm.
Along with the type 1750 GTV USA (105.51) some type 1750 GTV EU (105.44) have also been converted (standing and hanging pedals). The same goes for some type 2000 GTV's (105.21) with hanging pedals.
Besides that, UlrichGTA told me that in Germany a GT 1300 Junior (105.30) has been converted to GTAm (because the GT 1300 Junior was lighter?). Here is the link to one of his comments on this topic. Anybody know this car? Real GTAm? French registration...

Difficulty with the GTAm is, that it never had a unique type- and chassisnumber. This is unlike the type GTA (105.32 LHD and 105.34 RHD) and type GTA 1300 Junior (105.59).

Variants:
There are variants within the different types:
  • new cars from the production line converted to GTAm spec's by Autodelta SpA as Autodelta works cars
  • new cars from the production line converted to GTAm spec's by Autodelta SpA as Autodelta customer cars
  • existing cars converted to GTAm spec's by Autodelta SpA as Autodelta customer cars
  • new or existing cars converted to GTAm spec's by other tuners/teams with parts from a specific tuner or a combination of Autodelta, Angelini, Balduzzi, Facetti and other parts like the Balduzzi cars (Tony Adriaensens mentions this in his book)
  • new or existing (replacement) bodyshells with or without a chassisnumber that were equipped with Autodelta, Angelini, Balduzzi and other parts (for example from wrecked cars)
  • other variants on this theme in various stages of tune within the rules and specifications of the homoligation of the 1750 GTAm.
There is a list of Autodelta options for your 1750/2000 GTAm called "GTAm modifications & options for GTAm". Source of this info is the 1st edition of 'Alleggerita' by Tony Adriaensens. These options (and more?) are also mentioned in the editions (I to IV) of the "Performance Options Catalog".
In the 2nd edition of 'Alleggerita' by Adriaensens, Dasse & Übelher, you will find a list and photographs of the parts that are specific to the GTAm (als well as to the Giulia Sprint GTA, GTA-SA and GTA 1300 Junior). This 2nd edition is a must for any GTA, GTA 1300 Junior, GTA-SA and 1750/2000 GTAm fan!

Options:
The options according to the 1st edition of 'Alleggerita' which are also found in the "Performance Options Catalog" (nr. IV or Rev 2/77):

  • Aluminium or steel or plastic doors, hood/bonnet and boot/rear deck lid
  • Plastic dashboard
  • Plexiglass door glass ? descending window or sliding window
  • Lightweight laminated Glaverbel windshield and rear window
  • Rear window also available in Plexiglass
  • Lightweight battery in trunk (Warley)
  • Anatomic racing seat Tipo 33? total weight 3 kg/6.6 lbs
  • Roll over protection cage
  • Leather rimmed racing (steering) wheel
  • FIA oil catch tank (1 litre)
  • Special rear axle locating system, sliding block
  • Fully modified differential housing including Pivot Pin and reinforcements
  • Steel torque Tee? optional Unibal joints
  • Modified arms for rear stabiliser bar
  • Koni 220/85 shock absorbers
  • Modified front suspension
  • 26 mm front stabiliser bar
  • 18 mm rear stabiliser bar
  • Special close ratio gearboxes ? on demand Colotti T 118 gearbox
  • ZF Autolock differential
  • Lightweight bell housing, gears and gear lever
  • Special lightweight racing or heavy duty rallye assembly clutch
  • Sebring front exhaust pipe
  • 100 litre fuel tank with racing cab
  • Special Autodelta patented 100 litre safety fuel tank
  • Reinforcements for oversize tank
  • Dual Bendix fuel pumps + Lucas main fuel pump
  • Special plumbing for dual fuel pumps
  • Serck? oil cooler
  • Electron alloy deep sump and protection shields
  • Modified oil pumps with, if necessary longer pickups for deep pan bottoms
  • Elaborated crankcase
  • Monosleeves
  • Special racing camshafts
  • Special racing pistons flat?
  • Lightweight flywheel
  • Racing crankshafts
  • Special steel racing (connecting)rods; 0,740 kg/ 1.631 lbs
  • Special small cylinderhead valve angle 45 degrees with double ingnition
  • Guillotine throttle assembly for use with Spica or Lucas mk II
  • Fiberglass air box assembly with integral horns & nozzle holders
  • Spica or Lucas injection
  • 10.000 rpm rev-counter
  • Dinoplex electric ignition
  • Ventilated ATE front and rear discs with aluminium calipers
  • 13 inch Campagnolo magnesium wheels (from 7Lx13 to 10Lx13) also 7Lx15 was available
  • Plastic front and rear fender flares to use with 13inch wheels

On special demand:
  • 16 valve, single ignition cylinder heads approx. 240 hp
  • T64 braking torque differential

I doubt whether this list is fully complete.
What about:
  • Radiator (copper) expansion tank?
  • Special Autodelta works engines?
  • 16 valve exhaust manifold?

I have to check the 2nd edition of 'Alleggerita' for the list with options.

And what about other tuners such as Angelini with it's 2000cc 16 valve cylinderhead with Weber carburettors?
Further specifications can be found in the homologation papers.

Development:
A lot of GTAm's will have been rebuilt and updated during and after their racing life, engines and gearboxes were swapped, extra weight taken off for example hillclimbing, they have been restored, etc ..... And some of these cars had great palmares while others were less fortunate.

Copies:
Besides that, there are a lot of copies with various stages of tune with less or more original GTAm parts. Have a look around on alfabb and you will see a lot of GTV's being changed into GTAm copies. Some of them are very nice and well built.

Chassisnumbers:
Here is a list with with chassisnumbers and the sources of the information we have collected sofar. The latest list dates from 30-12-2020. This list is an updated and extended version of the earlier lists published here. Sources for this list are Maurizio Tabucchi (MT) in his book 'Alfa Romeo GTA', Adriaensens in his 1st edition of the book 'Alleggerita', Adriaensens, Dasse & Übelher (A,D&Ü) in their 2nd edition of the book 'Alleggerita', members of this forum and my own research.
The so called 'bad scan' that is mentioned was a paper with errors that caused some misunderstandings concerning chassisnumbers. You wil see the typos in the list.

List from 30-12-2020 with updates pending.

105.44
# 1357840 Monzeglio Squadra Corse, round front indicator lights, CT licenseplate, copy of the real car accoording too the sellers of this vehicle.
# 1358476 Elaborazione Autodelta 1968, Autodelta works engine (source: MT), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates BL 54224 / TV 191114 / PN 48500 / TV 313588
# 1357933 questionmark (source: Martin Übelher)
# 1363100 History mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1378479 Monzeglio Squadra Corse 1970 (source: MT), Martin Übelher confirms this car as genuine in post #40, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, this car has the square indicator lights in the front instead of the small round indicator lights, licenseplate TO E38632
# 1382607 (source: Fred della Noce), Fred noted that he used to own a Brasilian ex Jolly Club Hotel GTAm now owned by Alcidis Diniz in Brasil. Autodelta SpA prepared, history mentioned by A,D&Ü.

105.51
# 1530037 (source: Eiso Bergsma, he claims that the original Autodelta invoice is with the car, others claim that this invoice belongs to another GTAm and was copied), prepared in 1974, Balduzzi camcover, history mentioned by (A,D&Ü)
# 1530038 (source: Don Best) Typo for 1530938 according to Martinues 'bad scan', Don Best confirmed it is a typo because he was working from the 'bad' scan. No GTAm.
# 1530145 (source: Don Best) Typo for 1532345, according to Martinues 'bad scan'. No GTAm
# 1530246 (source: Don Best) Typo for #1532346, according to Martinues 'bad scan'. It turns out that 0246 is a roadgoing 1750 gtv so it was a typo. No GTAm. See post #397
# 1530537 (source: RossoGTVforme, Autodelta prepared (works car?) No date (Sent to US), seen in Monterey. More info?)
#1530671 Autodelta SpA, 01-09-1969, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates Prova MI 1370/F-DE 65/MI K97829
# 1530776 Autodelta SpA, 29-10-1969, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L18548
# 1530782 Alfa Romeo SpA, 31-12-1969 Takis confirms car now in the Alfa Romeo Museo Storico collection, see post #34, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L12787
# 1530787 (source: Don Best) Typo for #1530782 according to Martinues 'bad scan', Don Best confirmed it is a typo because he was working from the 'bad' scan. No GTAm.
# 1530834 Autodelta works car No date (source: Adriaensens) Imported by Alfa Romeo Benelux, history mentioned by A,D&Ü,
#1530838 Raced by Hahn, Autodelta SpA to Alfa Romeo Vertriebs GmbH Frankfurt am Main, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates MA GS-555/MA TB-555
# 1530840 Raced by Alfa Romeo Benelux/Grafo Racing Team No date (source: Adriaensens), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1530841 Raced by Hahn No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MA HE-555
#1530842 Chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü
#1530843 Chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1530848 27-01-1970 previously owned and raced by Toine Hezemans No date (source: Adriaensens), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate 63-42-MN and 93-42-MN
# 1530849 Autodelta SpA 27-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates MI K92422/HGN-19K ,
# 1530879 Autodelta SpA 08-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI K63991
# 1530896 Autodelta 28-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü,
# 1530938 Autodelta SpA 26-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü,
could be ex-Chiapparini and ex-Rosso Bianco collection, is now in private collection and for sale as of december 2010, licenseplate MI K91850
# 1530952 Autodelta SpA 26-01-1970 (source: MT) Autodelta works car No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L27247
# 1530974 (source: Bjorn Schmidt), history mentioned by A,D&Ü)
# 1531034 Autodelta SpA 11-02-1970 (source: MT), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L26447
# 1531039 Autodelta SpA 11-02-1970 (source: MT) Ex SOFAR France driven by Chasseuil (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1531042 Autodelta SpA 16-02-1970 (source: MT) Autodelta works car No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L26448
# 1531068 24-02-1970 Car was bought at the end of 1970 and needed a rebuild when it arrived in Australia (source: Vince Sharp), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, have a look at GTAm revealed at AROCA Spettacolo 2013
# 1531210 Raced by Alfa Romeo Benelux No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1531212 Alfa Romeo SpA, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L47391
# 1531222 Autodelta 20-02-1970 (source: MT) see post #192, Alfa Romeo SpA according to and history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates MI L47392/ SI 124926
# 1531230 Autodelta SpA works car 30-05-1970 (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L47393
# 1531231 Luigi Cecchini 26-05-1970 (source: MT), Takis confirms car is now in Greece, see post #35, Autodelta works engine* No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L29550
#1532022 01-10-1970, sold 22-02-1971 in Madrid, Spain, body colour is white with black interior, chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI M48973
#1532028 Alfa Romeo Deutschland, history mentioned by A,D&Ü
#1532099 (source: Matteo Tstsis) 14-01-1971 Car tuned by Autodelta and sold on the 10th of May 1971 to Motor Hellas, Athens, Greece
# 1532165 (source: Don Best) Typo for 1532166 according to Martinue's 'bad scan', Don Best confirmed it is a typo because he was working from the 'bad' scan. No GTAm.
# 1532166 Destination USA (source: MT) Autodelta prepared for Scuderia Brescia Corse No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates MI L27427/MI L31853/MI M54088/PR193113/MN 192542
# 1532265 Autodelta SpA 23-01-1971 (source: MT), Escuderia Nacional, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI M48973
# 1532307 Autodelta 23-01-1971 (source: MT), history mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1532327 Autodelta 23-01-1971 (source: MT), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1532345 (source: MT in post #112: Don Best and others in the thread concerning 'GTAm prices' mentioning the 'Angola' GTAm's), 17-05-1971, chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate AAD-XX-XX
# 1532346 (source: MT in post #112: Don Best and others in the thread concerning 'GTAm prices' mentioning the 'Angola' GTAm's), 17-05-1971, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates AAD-XX-XX/ST-76-00
# 1533142 Autodelta SpA 28-01-1972 (source: MT) Autodelta works car No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü
# 1534912 (source: Ecarrillo) Should this read 1354912 and was it a typo. Why then was chassis 1534912 mentioned in the auction data? What about the RHD? Questionmark.
# 1538476, this probably should read as #1358476 (source: Adriaensens)

Please remember that this list is far from complete where the history of the individual chassis is concerned. There simpy isn't enough room to add all that is known.
Please note that Adriaensens, Dasse & Übelher have added a lot of history to the individual chassisnumbers in the 2nd edition of "Alleggerita". More is to come, because A, D & Ü did not add history that could not be verified. For example #1530841 is one of the chassisnumbers with a lot of info to be added.

Furthermore, Tom Tanner made a list of colours belonging to the different chassisnumbers.

Please feel free to correct and add information to this list.

Sources:
  • "Alleggerita" 1st edition by Tony Adriaensens
  • "Alfa Romeo GTA" by Maurizio Tabucchi
  • "Alleggerita" 2nd edition by Tony Adriaensens, Patrick Dasse & Martin Übelher
  • "Performance Options Catalog" by Autodelta, nrs I to IV
  • "Competition Reference Manual" by Don Black, revision of edition 2, January 10th 1999
  • Research & information from fellow AlfaBB members and facebook members
  • My own research

Ciao, Olaf 31-12-2021.
Olaf, I count 43 cars in your list. Is that a correct count? You say the list is far from complete. Early sources say 40 built; so there are more?

Has the Frank Marino (Canada) car serial number been deduced yet?

Ciao

Ken
 
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Olaf, I count 43 cars in your list. Is that a correct count? You say the list is far from complete. Early sources say 40 built; so there are more?

Has the Frank Marino (Canada) car serial number been deduced yet?

Ciao

Ken
Hello Ken,

The list in post #404 is far from complete where the history of the cars is concerned.

It would be breaking copyright to state the complete history of the chassisnumbers that are mentioned. So the remark "chassis/history mentioned by A,D & Ü" is added if the car is mentioned in the 2nd edition of "Alleggerita".

Sources of research are:
  • "Alleggerita" 1st edition by Tony Adriaensens
  • "Alfa Romeo GTA" by Maurizio Tabucchi
  • "Alleggerita" 2nd edition by Tony Adriaensens, Patrick Dasse & Martin Übelher
  • "Performance Options Catalog" by Autodelta, nrs I to IV
  • "Competition Reference Manual" by Don Black, revision of edition 2, January 10th 1999
  • Research & information from fellow AlfaBB members including myself, facebook members and other people not specifically mentioned
I do not expect many more chassis to be found and added given the research done.
But you never know.

The chassisnumber #1530853 did not show up on any previous list concerning GTAm's before. Franco told us that he built the car himself. Bernhard confirms this.
So we can assume that #1530853 is not a genuine or authentic GTAm, unless the history of the chassis turns out to have some surprises in store.

The Frank Morino chassisnumber has not been found yet. Unfortunately!

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Hello,

Franco did ask me to post this.
He will post more pictures of the car with the story as well.
Just his English is not good enough so he always has to wait for someone to interpret.
So just be patient.
I do know Franco personally and I have also seen the car short of being finished when I visited him back in 2008.

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Hello Olaf,
I am sending you a list of chassinumbers that I found in my file from the Alfa service center where I used to work. All of the numbers are known eccept from the one that I circled (1531222). Unless I am wrong, this chassinumber is nowhere to be found.
Best regards,
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Hello Franco,

Sorry to say this, but I very much doubt that this list is from the seventies.
Do you have a date or year on the document to confirm your opinion?
I have a copy of this list in my files.
I would place the origin of the list in the nineties.
Here is a picture of my copy.

Addition; my source of this document was the post by Martinue. That document was featured in post #112 of this thread (and in post #429 beneath this post).*
There were errors or "typos" in that and in other documents such as the list that Don Best presented.
We cleared those "typos" and the wrap up can be found in post #404 of this thread.

Ciao, Olaf

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Hello Franco,

Sorry to say this, but I very much doubt that this list is from the seventies. Do you have a date or year on the document to confirm your opinion?
I have a copy of this list in my files.
I would place the origin of the list in the nineties.
Here is a picture of my copy.

Ciao, Olaf

Hello Olaf,

You are probably right. I'm 84 years old and my memory is not as reliable as it used to be. My interest was always only in the craftsmanship, everything else was not worth being kept in mind.
For example: out of the 5 GTAs that I owned, I can only name 2.
- the 776081, because I wrote it down with a pensil in my Alleggerita book.

- and the 775816 that was sold in England by Southwood. If I hadn't been mentioned in the (flawed) story on their website, l wouldn't have remembered it.


The only "documents" that I had, were a collection of flawless technical information which I had relied on in order to get my work properly done.
Everything is now passed on.

Ciao

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Hello Olaf,

You are probably right. I'm 84 years old and my memory is not as reliable as it used to be. My interest was always only in the craftsmanship, everything else was not worth being kept in mind.
For example: out of the 5 GTAs that I owned, I can only name 2.
- the 776081, because I wrote it down with a pensil in my Alleggerita book.

- and the 775816 that was sold in England by Southwood. If I hadn't been mentioned in the (flawed) story on their website, l wouldn't have remembered it.


The only "documents" that I had, were a collection of flawless technical information which I had relied on in order to get my work properly done.
Everything is now passed on.

Ciao

Franco
Hello Franco,

Thank you for your reply. Nonetheless, do you have any knowledge of the history and/or details of the chassis that you bought in the US? It would help clear up some other questionmarks we have here on alfabb.

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Hello Franco,

Thank you for the pictures.
We can establish that your car (#1530853) was built by yourself and later sold.

Ciao, Olaf
Hallo Olaf
Hello Franco,

Thank you for your reply. Nonetheless, do you have any knowledge of the history and/or details of the chassis that you bought in the US? It would help clear up some other questionmarks we have here on alfabb.

Ciao, Olaf
Nallo Olaf,
bist Du Holländer ?,kannst Du deutsch ?
Grüße
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Hallo Franco,

Ich kann Deutsch ziemlich gut reden, lesen und schreiben.
Jedoch nicht Fehlerfrei!
Es war meine zweite Sprache neben Englisch in die Schule.

I can speak, read and write German reasonably well.
Not without errors though!
It was my second language besides English in School.

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Hallo Olaf,
gut, weil ich kann nicht genug englisch
Für meinem GTAm projekt wollte ich einen korrekten Fahrgestell Nr. haben und ich habe meinen lagjärige Freund Ulrich Lanius (GTA 818001, mein copilot bei der Carrera Panamericana 2004 mit meinem Alfa Romeo 1900 Super TI) gebeten einen in USA zu finden und er hat diesen 1530853 in Portland gefunden.In einem perfekten unglaublichen Zustand.Der besitzer war Stu Moss([email protected] .com und
AlfaBB veloce 430)Die Farbe war " cava beige."Ich habe ihn als rolling chassis importiert
ohne Mechanik nur Lenkrad,Räder und Scheiben. und habe mit ganz vielen Liebe aufgebaut,von den Bilder kannst Du sehen alle neuteile er war für mich und niemand ausser mich und für die Lackierung hat nue eine Schraube gezogen.Leider messte ich ihn nach der Scheidun verkaufen,aber das ist eine andere Geschichte.Er hat ALLE Autodelta Spezialteil wie die Wekswagen ausser Die 48 Dellorto Vergaser,aber einen Einspritzer Motor was in Bild steht mit Autodelta Renn Spica steht in meinem Wohnzimmer,Die Autdelta Teile die in Bilder zu sehen sind ,kann Jeder der sich auskennt eindeutig als original Autodelta erkannen,Wenn Du willst kann ich die liste der Teile machen.Der Wagen wurde persönlich von Her Christian Ondrak(OKP) uns seidem weis ich nicht mehr wo das ist und wem das gehört,vielleich findest Du was heraus
Ich glaube damit ist Deine Frage beanteortet
ciao
Franco
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Google translation and edit in correction of Ulrich's serial number to 848001. Franco thanks for posting

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"Good, because i don't know enough english
For my GTAm project I wanted to have a correct chassis no. and I asked my longtime friend Ulrich Lanius (GTA 848001, my co-driver in the Carrera Panamericana 2004 with my Alfa Romeo 1900 Super TI) to find one in USA and he has this 1530853 Found in Portland.In perfect amazing condition.Owned by Stu Moss([email protected] .com and
AlfaBB veloce 430) The color was cava beige. I imported it as a rolling chassis
without mechanics only steering wheel, wheels and discs. and I built it up with a lot of love, you can see all the new parts from the pictures, it was for me and nobody but me and for the paintwork has now pulled a screw. Unfortunately, I had to sale it after the divorce , but that's another story. It has ALL Autodelta special parts like the factory cars except the 48 Dellorto carburetors, but an injection engine that is in the picture with Autodelta Renn Spica is in my living room, the Autdelta parts that can be seen in the pictures can be clearly identified as an original Autodelta by anyone who knows If you want I can make the list of the parts. The car was personally bought by Mr. Christian Ondrak (OKP) and since then I don't know where it is and whom it belongs to, maybe you can find out something
I think that answers your question
bye
Franco"
 
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Hallo Olaf,
gut, weil ich kann nicht genug englisch
Für meinem GTAm projekt wollte ich einen korrekten Fahrgestell Nr. haben und ich habe meinen lagjärige Freund Ulrich Lanius (GTA 818001, mein copilot bei der Carrera Panamericana 2004 mit meinem Alfa Romeo 1900 Super TI) gebeten einen in USA zu finden und er hat diesen 1530853 in Portland gefunden.In einem perfekten unglaublichen Zustand.Der besitzer war Stu Moss([email protected] .com und
AlfaBB veloce 430)Die Farbe war " cava beige."Ich habe ihn als rolling chassis importiert
ohne Mechanik nur Lenkrad,Räder und Scheiben. und habe mit ganz vielen Liebe aufgebaut,von den Bilder kannst Du sehen alle neuteile er war für mich und niemand ausser mich und für die Lackierung hat nue eine Schraube gezogen.Leider messte ich ihn nach der Scheidun verkaufen,aber das ist eine andere Geschichte.Er hat ALLE Autodelta Spezialteil wie die Wekswagen ausser Die 48 Dellorto Vergaser,aber einen Einspritzer Motor was in Bild steht mit Autodelta Renn Spica steht in meinem Wohnzimmer,Die Autdelta Teile die in Bilder zu sehen sind ,kann Jeder der sich auskennt eindeutig als original Autodelta erkannen,Wenn Du willst kann ich die liste der Teile machen.Der Wagen wurde persönlich von Her Christian Ondrak(OKP) uns seidem weis ich nicht mehr wo das ist und wem das gehört,vielleich findest Du was heraus
Ich glaube damit ist Deine Frage beanteortet
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Franco
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Hallo Franco,

Danke fūr die Information die du uns gegeben hast.
Schön zu hören wie du dieses Auto aufgebaut hast!
Vielleicht lesen/hören wir mehr von anderen Mitglieder!

Thanks for the information you gave us.
Nice to hear how you built this car!
Maybe we will read/hear more from other members!

Ciao, Olaf

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Habe von Christian Ondrak erfahren dass der Wagen verkauft wurde und ninmmt üfter an oldtimer Veranstalzungen Teil.Wird betreut in München von der firma Formula GT betreut
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The "GTAm" , What it is
Has this been posted before, I don't recall seeing it. This comes from the files of American GTAj Driver Jeff Kline.

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I doubt this perspective will be appreciated among "true original" GTAm collectors. But, these documents actually make it very clear, and apply to this day. The real effort and challenge in acquiring a "correct" GTAm is actually about collecting original and correct "Option Parts" on this list, and any 10551 chassis to build on.
If you can do this - collect all the correct parts - then you can build a legitimate and correct GTAm to this day.
This per Alfa Romeo 1970.
Other considerations of value remain pedigree and race results. But, a GTAm built per Alfa as specified above is possible today - albeit lacking provenance and racing history - for whatever it's worth.
Just my opinion. (not a question..)
 
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