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Selling my AlfaSud.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110171082145

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/showthread.php?p=412329#post412329

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/showthread.php?t=45107

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I doubt it

Cal doesn't allow anything newer than 1975 to not be US smog legal. This will not change. AFAIK.
 

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People have snuck in post-75 cars one way and another. A number of late Supers are in the US, and in Calif specifically, registered as 67s or whatever. So there are ways (mostly fraudulent) to do it.

The current smog proposal in the Calif legislature (fought by SEMA and others) is to require annual, not biennial, smog checks for all cars required to take them. There is no proposal to change the model years required to get smogs (currently 1976 and newer). That could change any year though.

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Does this have current US registration with no restrictions? Also, does anyone know if this could be registered in California?
Its Maine and New Hampshire registrations were without any restrictions, most states will be satisfied with the customs forms saying its exempt because of its age.

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I hope you don't mind me asking, but why did you import a right hand drive car?
Don't mind at all. I was stationed at RAF Mildenhall/Lakenheath for a while and drove both RHD and LHD cars there. Its actually not terribly hard to drive a RHD car, for about 10 miles it feels odd to shift with your left, but after that its a cake walk. Don't dis it till you try it, i think its a blast. Now driving on the left side of the road is a different story entirely! I will never be comfortable with that.
 

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I'd love to have a Sud, but it's not something that would be easy to sneak into California.
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The ole' put in a cat for the test and lean her out, then back to stock settings trick :eek:
 

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Don't dis it till you try it, i think its a blast. Now driving on the left side of the road is a different story entirely! I will never be comfortable with that.
I worked/lived in England for three years, and had one right hand drive vehicle (the Landrover 110 Defender, what a great car that was!!!) and a LHD Spider. We drove both vehicles in England as well as on the LHD continent. I agree that it's easy to get used to, once you realize there's quite a bit of car to your left;)....I also thought it was relatively easy to get used to driving on the left.....whenever I'm in a RHD country now, I easily switch back. I was just wondering, if you planned to import a car into a LHD country to sell it, why not get a LHD one from Italy or so.....maybe you'll find someone who actually prefers a RHD though, because it's different ;);) If I could have another car, I might be interested. Good luck!!!
 

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It's not just the smog issue, but also the reg. issue for a car that was never sold in the US.

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I'm not sure this is a problem in this scenario.

According to the EPA, if your car is over 21 years old you don't need to worry about meeting emissions standards upon importation. SEE HERE

According to the DoT, if your car is over 25 years old you don't need to worry about meeting DoT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. SEE HERE

Why would registration be a problem? Is it a California thing? As long as it's legal to be here, and insured.....I thought that the grey market registrations were tricky because the cars weren't technically 'legal' in the US? Curious to know the answer as in 2016 I'm planning to buy and import a Lancia Delta Integrale Evo1. :D;)
 

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A fellow I just met was driving a legal 2000's vintage Rover Mini (a real one, not one of the BMW fakes), and he said that it was legal because the Feds let you import one car of any make and year into the States, as long as you do this only once in your lifetime.

His car was approved by the Feds, licensed by the State, and insured.
 

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Only one car ever, now I really have to think of which one I want to import! ;)
 

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A fellow I just met was driving a legal 2000's vintage Rover Mini (a real one, not one of the BMW fakes), and he said that it was legal because the Feds let you import one car of any make and year into the States, as long as you do this only once in your lifetime.

His car was approved by the Feds, licensed by the State, and insured.
I respectfully call "Bullsh*t" on this claim. People will tell you anything but the truth when the car is not legit. I recall this being true for a few years in the 80s or early 90s, but not no mo'. :mad: <- (That, in a supposedly free nation, the govt. has the effrontery to tell you what you can and can not spend your money on really pisses me off. But the sheep won't do anything about it, and I ain't much better. :()

I also concur in questioning Andrew's caveat re California and pre 76s. I am pretty sure you can bring any pre 76 to the DMV as long as it is currently registered in another state. If you just had Fed papers it might be a problem, but with another state's reg. they wouldn't kick. (I am pretty sure...)

On a post 75 the issue would arrise when they entered the year and model. The smog test routine in the reg software would put up a fuss, because that car would not be in the database, (but on a pre 76 it would prob. just ignore the car, so I believe you would be successful in registering a pre 76.)
 

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No idea on what the legislation says about importing, just wanted to chime in. The buyer of this car will get a really great experience. This is probably the car that made FWD cars fun to drive, and to this day I haven't driven any car that's more fun than my current Alfasud. All it lacks is more power. Which this example has. Buy it, you won't regret.
 

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Don't forget/underestimate how great Fiat 128s were. I think they were the first true modern FWD car. The Mini did lead the way, but didn't revolutionize the world, just England. I drove a 128 in the 70s in high school and it was unbelievably fun and responsive. Completely goaded you into driving like a maniac all the time.

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I'm not sure this is a problem in this scenario.

According to the EPA, if your car is over 21 years old you don't need to worry about meeting emissions standards upon importation. SEE HERE

According to the DoT, if your car is over 25 years old you don't need to worry about meeting DoT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. SEE HERE

Why would registration be a problem? Is it a California thing? As long as it's legal to be here, and insured.....I thought that the grey market registrations were tricky because the cars weren't technically 'legal' in the US? Curious to know the answer as in 2016 I'm planning to buy and import a Lancia Delta Integrale Evo1. :D;)
The problem might be in the 4 years in between.

The DOT says 21 years but DMV says 25 years.

EPA Form 3520-1 says under Code E that it is 21 years. BUT form HS-7 and that's the form that the DMV wants to see, at least here in VA to register the car along with some customs forms i.e Entry/immediate delivery (form 3461). Please down load the forms and read it your self.
Form HS-7 and 3461 must both be stamped by the Customs and Broker.

Best regards
Rob
 
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