The best F1 driver past present and future, it won't be the same following grand prix racing without him. Il Commendatore would have been proud to see him bring Ferrari to the top. Thanks for the memories.
rloewy said:Just a reminder, there is a 2 time world champion still in the field that won both his championships earlier than anyone has ever won one...
Age has nothing to do with it. Now that we know who the youngest world champion was, who was the oldest? Fangio. He didn't win his first one till he was 40, and he won FOUR MORE after that. It's about skill and being in the right team with the right car, and if you get the right combination over a period of years, you have dominance. That hasn't changed since Alfa and Nuvolari and Auto Union/Mercedes teams of Nazi Germany.73alfetta said:Oh by the way, please tell me that you have some other statistics besides Alonso's age to prove that he's a better driver that MSC and whether or not he won his carting championship at 12 and not 15 like MSC. Please. There are no extra points given out for winning championships based on age.
Chime in on this post in five years and give me an update on Alonso's stats. Until then MSC's records currently stand as the best f1 driver in the sport period.
True. Including Enzo, who said he thought of him like a son.1976 said:GV: a tad surprised to hear ah yes, something special because youthful exuberance is on display (late brake dayglow)! I'll chime with 73alfetta.. get back to me on Kubica, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Massa, Button, Vettel, Alonso, Wurtz, Sato... anyways, time DID tell and his name was Gilles Villenueve.
A couple of years ago, Atlas F1 "held court" on the subject of Villenueve Sr and he came away with distinction. I for one could not have agreed more. I love what was spoken about him by his compatriots, and loved what I saw when he came into view on a racetrack. EVERYONE loved Gilles.
MS was not the best driver on the track in the last year despite having the fastest car for the 2nd half of it. He made a lot more mistakes than Alonso and Alonso won the title fair and square.73alfetta said:Chime in on this post in five years and give me an update on Alonso's stats. Until then MSC's records currently stand as the best f1 driver in the sport period.
Fair enough. I am sure it was hard for anyone to compare Schumacher to Senna before his death. It should however be remembered that Schumacher did not take a single pole in his career until after Senna's death. All I am saying is that Alonso was clearly better this year than Schumacher and has the potential to be in that very rare group that Schumacher clearly occupies. Time will tell.othercarsaford said:I find it hard to compare Alonso and Schumacher yet.
In this year it did. Based on record he did so in 2005, just as on record Michael was better than him in the previous years. (Can we really say for sure that Michael got more from the 2003 Ferrari than Alonso did of the 2003 Renault?)othercarsaford said:So Alonso bested Schu in 2006. How does that make him better than Schu?
Because in both cases they had a clearly superior car to what Michael was driving at the time (for sure in 1998, less so in 1999 for Mika - and obviously not even in the same ballpark in 1997).othercarsaford said:Mika won two worlds championships with Schu on the track in head-to-head battles, but I don't see his name getting mentioned as a better driver. Villeneuve won in '97 in a head-to-head with Schu, but no one says he's better.
Except than win percentages where Fangio and Clark are better and starting position average where Senna is better.othercarsaford said:Schumacher currently holds ALL the records in F1...ALL of them.
Fair enough. I have no problems with that.othercarsaford said:I can hardly put Alonso in that group yet, just like I don't put a lot of other really great champions (like Mika, Mansell, the Hills (all three of them), Andretti, Schekter, Hulme, Fittipaldi and the rest) in that group.
I guess we differ here - because I do not think that all of Schumacher's championships are as valid as others - so in my mind - Alonso does not need to win 5 more championships to be considered as maybe an equal. I have no doubts (and Schumacher himself said so) that Schumacher would not be a 7 times WDC if Senna did not die in 1994. To my mind Schumacher's '94 title is not kosher against Hill and I doubt he would have even be in a position to do what he did to Hill if Senna was able to finish 1994. Given that the Williams was the best of one of the best cars of 1994 to 1997 - and Senna had a long term contract with Williams - the picture could be very different.othercarsaford said:If he goes to McLaren after his first two worlds championships, takes two years to get the team to "gel" and then rolls off 5 more worlds championships, then maybe he's the best because he beat Schumacher head-to-head in 2006. If he comes close, he'll still be a "great" in my mind. Otherwise, he's a great driver, a multiple world champion and better than a lot of truly great drivers, but not in the elite group in my mind.