Hey Del -The rake is too much in my mind. Not good, even for handling, IMO.
As for the really heavy steering, you can likely lighten that somewhat by reducing the amount of caster. I had to do that with an Alfetta sedan which had far too heavy steering. Owner's wife couldn't park the car. Made all the different, made the car much easier to drive. Still handled well. Great car, now for sale south of Boston in very good no rust condition.
I do like the color. Had a 78 Alfetta GT with a similar color, maybe a little lighter. Forgot the paint code but was as delivered new. Never seen one the same since, and don't know what happened to that car.
Yup, if you corner weighted that car it would be heavily bias toward the front. Ride height would be good for a track car if the front end was set up correctly and the car corner weighted which would require the rear to be lowered. Its a moot point because its a road car and to low to the ground.This has been a very informative thread about ride height. I've attached a side pic of my GTV6, which the PO slammed super low in front I think in preparation for a track day at Laguna. He also put in a 4pt Autopower roll cage. Here are my impressions of this setup, which I will be changing....
1. There are several speedbumps near my house (not the abrupt type, but the really gradual ones) that I cannot drive over without scraping the exhaust
2. The caster that results from this setup causes the steering, already on the heavy side, to become seriously heavy. Ok, it's GT type car, not a Miata, but it's really tough to throw this thing around at any speed.
3. I get a good amount of tire run on the inner fenders on both sides at full lock, or even near it.
So even if you really like the way this looks, I'd suggest thinking twice before doing it... View attachment 1702465
Del - thanks for that. You've motivated me to go ahead and see if I can't reduce the caster without changing ride height. I honestly can't recall what the Alfa guy said was the reason it couldn't be done - but it had to do with how VERY low the ride height is..."said that it wasn't really possible to reduce the caster without raising the ride height:
contrary to other Alfettas and other similar Alfas, we have owned and driven, this particular Alfetta for some reason had extreme caster. don't know why, but reducing that caster just made all the difference int he world. Put many thousands of miles on that car.
We didn't find that change to be significant at all. Takes little change in caster to make the change in steering effort, and we didn't notice any change in height. I would try it, as it is super easy to do. If you don't like it, just readjust the caster arms.
Lol, liking colors is such a subjective thing. I've seen some cars which the owner just loved the color after being repainted, and I quietly thought it looked like puke.
The car really doesn't handle all that well, in my opinion. It rolls in an odd way, compared to what I'm used to, which perhaps is due to the low roll center in front, and high one in back? Perhaps made worse by the car's current setup. Even with (because of?) the current low ride height, it understeers more than I'd like as well, and is hard to get to rotate mid-corner.Yup, if you corner weighted that car it would be heavily bias toward the front. Ride height would be good for a track car if the front end was set up correctly and the car corner weighted which would require the rear to be lowered. Its a moot point because its a road car and to low to the ground.
Never had a problem with heavy steering on an alfetta except for parking I guess. I don't understand this idea that you need power steering. People fit the power steering to their race car. I have driven GTV6 on slicks and have no problem with the weight of the steering. Except for my fat beer gut I am a skinny weakling LOL. The power steering in the milano/75 is a quality unit but I wouldn't consider fitting one to any of my alfetta.
You can easily, well relatively easily, adjust the ride height by adjusting the torsion bars. That's part of what this is all about.Del - thanks for that. You've motivated me to go ahead and see if I can't reduce the caster without changing ride height. I honestly can't recall what the Alfa guy said was the reason it couldn't be done - but it had to do with how VERY low the ride height is...
If that doesn't reduce steering effort enough, I've got the parts from a Milano to install power steering, which I'd do when the engine is out. I drove a Milano way back in the day (after owning a GTV6 a few years before) and I loved the steering.
Thanks for all the encouragement.You can easily, well relatively easily, adjust the ride height by adjusting the torsion bars. That's part of what this is all about.
And the car won't handle right being that low, it screws up all the natural wonderful Alfa geometry. The closer to stock the better they feel in my opinion. At the correct ride height they add camber as the suspension compresses. At your level that's all messed up.
By all means try to adjust the caster to reduce it, but also look into adjusting the ride height back up. So far the best data I have seen says the factory spec is 44mm +/- 5mm using the factory procedure. More on that later.
Also look into different wheels. Pushing the wheel centerline out too far messes with the scrub radius and affects steering feel as well.
Hey @cda951 - it's not the camber I'd like to reduce - it's the caster. To be sure, lowered this way, the camber is significant, to say the least. Here's a head-on pic to show that (although note that the wheels are straight ahead, so being turned a bit right makes the camber look even worse. But still, it's extreme I think).@Joe149 If you find that you have too much negative camber after lowering the front and it cannot be adjusted out, tell the alignment shop to adjust the front toe slightly in vs Alfa's original spec of toe-out. I think they did this to improve turn-in, but toe-out will destroy the inner edges of your front tires faster than ~1 degree of negative camber.
I know that some on this board have gone as far as grinding the A-arm pedestals to restore the original camber specs, but I've always been a fan of a bit of negative camber to improve the turn-in and front end grip of my fun cars.