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I actually emailed to both Sergio Marchionne and Reid Bigland this past Friday when the news trickled out about the QV's non-availability in a manual in the US. I received two emails back...one from Chrysler Care stating that they will be replying on Mr. Marchionne's behalf and another one from Mr. Bigland which I have pasted below.

Mr. Locopo,

Thank you for your email and great photo.

You are correct, early in the development process of this car we did envision having a manual transmission on the Giulia QV in the US. However, as we have subsequently discovered, the automatic option is a far superior offering, much faster and much more responsive.

I realize that some drivers enjoy the connected feeling of a manual gear box. For this reason we have equipped the Giulia Automatic QV with paddle shifters that provide for an unfiltered driving experience, where the driver is in complete control of the gear shifting. While this may be of limited consolation to you, the paddle shifters are phenomenal and can create a very engaging experience.

We anticipate Giulia’s to start arriving in US Dealerships this December. I would encourage you to give the car a try, in automatic mode and by using the paddle shifters, and decide for yourself. I think you will be impressed with what we have done.

In the meantime, the plan right now is for Automatic only in the US, if something should change I will let you know.

Thanks again for your email and your passion.

Reid
 

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I actually emailed to both Sergio Marchionne and Reid Bigland this past Friday when the news trickled out about the QV's non-availability in a manual in the US. I received two emails back...one from Chrysler Care stating that they will be replying on Mr. Marchionne's behalf and another one from Mr. Bigland which I have pasted below.

Mr. Locopo,

Thank you for your email and great photo.

You are correct, early in the development process of this car we did envision having a manual transmission on the Giulia QV in the US. However, as we have subsequently discovered, the automatic option is a far superior offering, much faster and much more responsive.

I realize that some drivers enjoy the connected feeling of a manual gear box. For this reason we have equipped the Giulia Automatic QV with paddle shifters that provide for an unfiltered driving experience, where the driver is in complete control of the gear shifting. While this may be of limited consolation to you, the paddle shifters are phenomenal and can create a very engaging experience.

We anticipate Giulia’s to start arriving in US Dealerships this December. I would encourage you to give the car a try, in automatic mode and by using the paddle shifters, and decide for yourself. I think you will be impressed with what we have done.

In the meantime, the plan right now is for Automatic only in the US, if something should change I will let you know.

Thanks again for your email and your passion.

Reid
Thanks for posting this. Very regrettable decision by FCA.

FCA: we're interested in a QV manual not because we think it will empirically beat an automatic, but because we're all drivers and we enjoy it. And because if we're going to take a risk on buying one of these (and let's be honest, it is a risk on many levels), we want the user experience to be fun and unique.

Wake me if you change your mind and offer the manual in the US, FCA.
 

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You are correct, early in the development process of this car we did envision having a manual transmission on the Giulia QV in the US. However, as we have subsequently discovered, we are hemorrhaging cash and are terrified of taking the slightest risk in the market. Therefore, we are going to blow smoke up your collective behinds to hide this fact. .
Reading between the lines :thumbdown:
 

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It's a MANJINA Car! They don't care about the Real ALFA Enthusiast. The cars they have brought so far 8C, 4C and now this POS.

I want a MANUAL CAR!! NO this that or anything else. NO JUNK!!
I am capable of handling a manual car, but these cars will never be made again. The GTV-6 is the last!!

New ALFAs look very nice and I will never question their performance, but they are "NOT" a SPORTS CAR!!
A computer on 4 wheels!! Paddle shifting is for GEEKS! It requires no interface with the car whatsoever.

Clutching, shifting, real brakes(NO JUNK), manual steering now that's a Sports Car.

In 10 to 15 years when all their computer systems fail, I'll still be driving my 82 Spider as well as my other 6 cars.
 

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Looks like Alfa finally got rid of the technical specs and standard/optional equipment pdfs which through the weekend still mentioned the manual as the only transmission option. Nothing in the the lengthy text mentions any sort of transmission. This was clearly a last minute cut and paste hatchet job to reflect a last minute cut and paste hatchet job decision about retracting the manual.

I have not seen any sort of new Giulia posts since Friday on Alfa US's Facebook. They had been getting killed there (and I certainly was doing my share as well and will continue to do so).
 

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Coincidentally, last Friday I visited my local dealer where they had one of the preproduction cars on display for the day. when sitting in the car two things stood out: the drivers seat (very comfortable and supportive by the way) only had manual adjustment; and the 6speed shift lever. I asked the dealer sales manager and the Alfa rep and was told that yes the manual was available and the production seats would be power.
 

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I would say the answer is very weird. Alfa has QV for NA market in ePER

Code SINCOM 621QRU001400 2.9T V6 ALFA 510HP MTX RWD USA QV
Code SINCOM 621QRU001580 2.9T V6 ALFA 510HP MTX RWD CANADA QV

Probably they want to receive the response from dealerships and then move manual version on the market

Below you can find the full description of the model

CILINDRATA (COMMER.) 2.891 BZ (CC2.9)
POTENZA 510HP (KW375)
GUIDA SINISTRA (GSX)
TIPO CARROZZERIA BN. 3 VOLUMI (TC3V)
COMBUSTIBILE BENZINA (CMBBZ)
LIVELLO DI ALLESTIM. QUADRIFOGLIO VERDE (LL15)
ALLESTIMENTO DI MERCATO USA (AM40)
ECOLOGIA LIM.CEE FASE 6 (ECOCF6)
TIPO CAMBIO MECCANICO (CAMMA)
TIPO TRAZIONE TRAZIONE POSTERIORE (RWD) (TTRWD)
300 KPH PRIMARY SPEEDOMETER No (JDU)
6-WAY MANUAL PASSENGER SEAT ADJUST No (CDC)
6-WAY POWER PASSENGER SEAT No (CDE)
8 .8" HIGH RADIO No (RAP)
8 Speaker Audio System No (RCH)
ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL W/STOP No (NH3)
ADATTAMENTI PER PAESI FREDDI [ADAPTED FOR COLD COUNTRIES] Si (129)
AIR BAG GINOCCHIA LATO GUIDA [DRIVER SIDE KNEE AIRBAG] Si (150)
AIR BAG GINOCCHIA LATO PASSEGGERO [PASSENGER SIDE KNEE AIRBAG] Si (151)
ALLARME SENZA TELECOMANDO Si (8G2)
AM/FM DVD HDD NAV RADIO 8.4" ECC No (RB4)
APPOGGIATESTA POSTERIORI N^ 3 [REAR HEADRESTS N^ 3] No (543)
ASSETTO SPORTIVO [SPORT SETTING] No (377)
BATTERIA POTENZIATA No (782)
BATTICALCAGNO SPECIFICO 2 No (79U)
BI-XENON HEADLAMPS No (LM2)
BLACK DAY LIGHT OPENING MOLDINGS Si (MMR)
BLIND SPOT DETECTION Si (XAN)
BLOCCAGGIO DIFFERENZIALE No (939)
BODY COLOR BODYSIDE MOLDING No (MJF)
BONIFICO ALFA [ALFA DISCOUNT] No (531)
BONIFICO TETTO APRIBILE No (7TY)
CANALIZZAZIONE ARIA POSTI POSTERI Si (693)
CATALIZZATORE SPECIFICO No (733)
CELLOPHANATURA COMPLETA No (924)
CHROME SURROUND MOLDING No (MMH)
COMANDI AL VOLANTE 2 [STEERING WHEEL COMMANDS 2] Si (5BH)
COMANDI AL VOLANTE 3 [STEERING WHEEL COMMANDS 3] No (4WE)
COMPASS GAUGE No (JFA)
CONTACHILOMETRI [ODOMETER (KILOMETERS)] No (050)
CONTAMIGLIA [ODOMETER (MILES)] Si (046)
CORRETTORE ASSETTO FARI [HEADLIGHT BEAM HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT] No (048)
CRISTALLI SCURI [DARK WINDOWS] No (070)
DIGITAL AUDIO BROADCAST No (RS9)
DISATTIVAZIONE AIR BAG LATO PASSEGGERO [PASSENGER AIRBAG DISABLE] No (4DK)
DISCHI FRENI SPECIFICI [BRAKE DISK VENTILATION] No (44B)
DISPOSITIVO ACCENSIONE AUTOM. PROIETTORI (CREPUSCOLARE) [AUTOMATIC HEADLIGHT ACTIVATION (DUSK/DAWN)] Si (051)
DISPOSITIVO VISIONE NOTTURNA CON INFRAROSSI (HEAD UP) [INFRARED NIGHT VISION DEVICE (HEAD UP)] No (120)
DOOR COURTESY LAMPS Si (LCB)
DRIVER SEAT MEMORY No (LEQ)
Driver Seat - Manual Adjust 6-Way No (JVB)
E-CALL No (84Q)
ELEC LTD SLIP DIFFERENTIAL RR AXLE No (DSF)
ENGINE BLOCK HEATER No (NHK)
ENGINE SOUND ENHANCEMENT No (85T)
ESCLUSIONE TARGHETTA [TAG EXCLUSION] No (5JE)
ESCLUSIONE TARGHETTA 2 [TAG EXCLUSION 2] No (5JP)
ETICHETTA DX GRUPPO B PER KIT DI RIPARAZIONE PNEUMATICI No (8F5)
ETICHETTA DX GRUPPO C PER KIT DI RIPARAZIONE PNEUMATICI No (8F6)
ETICHETTA DX GRUPPO D PER KIT DI RIPARAZIONE PNEUMATICI No (8F7)
ETICHETTA DX GRUPPO E PER KIT DI RIPARAZIONE PNEUMATICI No (8F8)
ETICHETTA DX GRUPPO F PER KIT DI RIPARAZIONE PNEUMATICI No (8F9)
ETICHETTA DX GRUPPO G PER KIT DI RIPARAZIONE PNEUMATICI No (8H7)
EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLE COURTESY LIGHT Si (83Z)
EXTRA EUROPE MAP No (8TY)
FENDINEBBIA [FRONT FOG LIGHT] No (097)
FRONT COURTESY/MAP LAMPS Si (LCA)
Frt Pass Seat - Manual Adjust 6-Way No (JWB)
GANCIO DI TRAINO [TOW HOOK] No (960)
GROCERY BAG HOOKS Si (XGG)
HEATED STEERING WHEEL Si (NHS)
HILL HOLDER (FRENO STAZIONAMENTO AUTOMATICO) [HILL HOLDER (AUTOMATIC PARKING BRAKE)] No (056)
HOME LINK [HOME LINK] No (40J)
INSERTI IN ALLUMINIO [ALUMINUM INSERTS] No (156)
INSERTI SPECIFICI 1 [SPECIFIC LININGS 1] No (4MN)
INSERTI VERO LEGNO [NOBLE WOOD LINING] No (155)
KEYLESS GO Si (GX4)
KIT GONFIAGGIO / RIPARAZ. PNEUMATICI (FIX & GO) IN SOSTITUZIONE RUOTINO Si (499)
LANE KEEP ASSIST No (LAS)
LED TAILLAMPS No (LAY)
LIBRETTO ARABO/LINGUA [GUIDE IN ARABIC] No (5JX)
LIBRETTO CINESE/LINGUA No (6XK)
LIBRETTO FRANCESE/LINGUA No (851)
LIBRETTO ITALIANO/LINGUA No (850)
LIBRETTO OLANDESE/LINGUA [GUIDE IN DUTCH] No (5KA)
LIBRETTO POLACCO/LINGUA No (858)
LIBRETTO PORTOGHESE/LINGUA No (898)
LIBRETTO SVIZZERO No (5VR)
LIBRETTO TEDESCO/LINGUA No (853)
LIMITED SLIP DIFF. REAR AXLE (HYBRID) No (DSG)
NAFTA/EMEA STANDARD RADIO No (RAG)
PANTINA LATO GUIDA CON SPECCHIO [DRIVER SIDE SUN VISOR WITH MIRROR] Si (50X)
PANTINA LATO PASSEGGERO CON SPECCHIO [PASSENGER SIDE SUN VISOR WITH MIRROR] No (4M6)
PARAURTI EXTRA SERIE 2 [BUMBER EXTRA SERIES 2] No (4TU)
PEDALIERA EXTRASERIE 1 [PEDALS EXTRA SERIES 1] Si (4CS)
PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION Si (SDD)
PINZE FRENO SPECIFICHE 1 [SPECIFIC BREAK CALIPERS 1] Si (4TA)
PLANCIA EXTRA SERIE 1 [DASHBOARD EXTRA SERIES 1] Si (4H0)
PNEUMATICI ANTIFORATURA CON SENSORE DI PRESSIONE (RUN FLAT) [RUN FLAT TIRES WITH PRESSURE SENSOR] No (447)
PNEUMATICO EXTRA SERIE 1 [TIRES EXTRA SERIES 1] No (141)
PNEUMATICO EXTRA SERIE 2 [TIRES EXTRA SERIES 2] No (142)
PORTATARGA SPECIFICO [SPECIFIC LICENSE PLATE HOLDER] No (389)
POWER FOLDING HEATED MIRRORS Si (GTD)
PREDISPOSIZIONE GANCIO TRAINO [PREDISPOSITION FOR TOW HOOK] No (4HB)
PRESA USB DI CORRENTE 12V. Si (83X)
PROIETTORI A SCARICA DI GAS [GAS DISCHARGE HEADLIGHTS] Si (230)
PWR 8-WAY DRVR MEM 8-WAY PASS SEATS Si (JT2)
QUADRO DI BORDO SPECIFICO [SPECIFIC INSTRUMENT PANEL] Si (4GF)
RADIO - AM/FM CD, GPS NAVIGATION No (RB3)
REAL CARBON FIBER INTERIOR ACCENTS Si (XSQ)
REGOLAZIONE VOLANTE [STEERING WHEEL ADJUSTMENT] No (011)
REMOTE START SYSTEM No (XBM)
REMOTE USB PORT Si (RSX)
RIDUZIONE ANIDRIDE CARBONICA 5 No (80R)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 10 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 10] No (56J)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 12 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 12] No (4AY)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 13 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 13] No (4WQ)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 14 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 14] No (5EQ)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 15 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 15] Si (5ER)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 3 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 3] No (433)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 6 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 6] No (439)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 7 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 7] No (421)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRA SERIE 9 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 9] No (55E)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRASERIE 18 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 18] No (68P)
RUOTE IN LEGA EXTRASERIE 29 No (5ZZ)
RUOTE LEGA EXTRA SERIE 8 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 8] No (420)
RUOTE LEGA EXTRA SERIE 1 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 1] No (431)
RUOTE LEGA EXTRA SERIE 2 [ALLOY WHEELS EXTRA SERIES 2] No (432)
SEDILE GUIDA CON REGOLAZIONE LOMBARE ELETTRICA No (623)
SEDILE POSTERIORE SDOPPIATO [SPLIT REAR SEAT] No (195)
SEDILE POSTERIORE N^ 3 POSTI No (965)
SEDILI ANT. RISCALDATI [HEATED FRONT SEATS] Si (452)
SEDILI ANT.CON IMBOTTITURA ADATTATIVA [FRONT SEATS WITH ADAPTIVE FOAM] No (534)
SEDILI ANT.REGOLABILI ELETTR. LATO G .C/ MEMO [ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE DRIVER SEAT WITH MEMORY] No (136)
SEDILI ANTERIORI SPECIFICI 2 [SPECIFIC FRONT SEATS 2] Si (4TI)
SEDILI EXTRASERIE 2 Si (7XF)
SEDILI SPORTIVI [SPORTS SEATS] No (180)
SEDILI SPORTIVI IN PELLE No (788)
SELESPEED ( COMANDO CAMBIO ROBOTIZ) [SELESPEED (ROBOTIZED GEAR BOX COMMAND)] No (407)
SELLERIA EXTRA SERIE 1 [UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 1] No (728)
SELLERIA EXTRA SERIE 10 [UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 10] No (6AP)
SELLERIA EXTRA SERIE 2 [UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 2] No (732)
SELLERIA EXTRA SERIE 3 [UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 3] No (727)
SELLERIA EXTRA SERIE 6 [UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 6] No (4MZ)
SELLERIA EXTRA SERIE 7 [UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 7] Si (4N5)
SELLERIA IN PELLE [LEATHER UPHOLSTERING] No (211)
SELLERIA IN PELLE EXTRA SERIE 2 [LEATHER UPHOLSTERING EXTRA SERIES 2] No (212)
SENSORE DI PARCHEGGIO [PARKING SENSOR] Si (508)
SENSORE PARCHEGGIO POSTERIORE [REAR PARKING SENSOR] No (52B)
SENSORE RILEVAZIONE PIOGGIA [RAIN SENSOR] Si (347)
SERBATOIO CARBURANTE EXTRA SERIE 2 [FUEL TANK EXTRA SERIES 2] No (4MF)
SERRATURA DI SICUREZZA [SECURITY LOCK] Si (57E)
SIRIUSXM SATELLITE RADIO Si (RSD)
SISTEMA AUDIO HIFI No (718)
SOVRATAPPETI [CARPET] Si (396)
SPECCHI RETROVISORI ESTERNI / INTERNI ELETTROCROMICI No (525)
SPECCHI RETROVISORI ESTERNI SPECIFICI 2 Si (64L)
SPECCHI RETROVISORI INT. ELETTROCROMICI [ELECTROCHROMIC INTERNAL REARVIEW MIRROR] Si (410)
SPECIFICITA' MERCATO ISRAELE No (8ES)
SPECIFICITA' MERCATO MESSICO No (6DY)
SPECIFICITA' MERCATO SASO No (5SF)
SPECIFICITA' MERCATO TAIWAN No (8R1)
SPECIFICITA' MERCATO TROPICO LEGGERO [SPECIFICS FOR TROPICAL MARKETS (LIGHT VERSION)] No (4MJ)
SPECIFICITA` MERCATO OLANDA No (611)
SPIA CINTURE DI SICUREZZA ALLACCIATE [WARNING LIGHT FOR SEAT BELT FASTENED] Si (189)
SPORTELLO VANO PORTAOGGETTI [OBJECT HOLDER COMPARTMENT WICKET] Si (845)
STOP&START Si (5DE)
STRUMENTO DI BORDO CON DISPLAY MULTIFUNZIONE No (710)
TACHIMETROKM/H PRIMARIO, M/H SECONDARIO No (6NW)
TARGHETTA DI ASSISTENZA [PLATE OF ASSISTANCE] No (6HQ)
TARGHETTA SPECIFICA [SPECIFIC PLATE] No (556)
TARGHETTA SPECIFICA 1 [SPECIFIC TAG 1] No (51H)
TARGHETTA SPECIFICA 2 Si (5QX)
TARGHETTA SPECIFICA 5 No (7KQ)
TARGHETTA SPECIFICA 6 No (80H)
TARGHETTE IN LINGUA TURCA No (7UY)
TELECAMERA POST. PER PARCHEGGIO [REAR PARKING CAM] Si (316)
TENDINE RIPARO SOLE POSTERIORI [REAR SOLAR PROTECTIVE SHADES] No (103)
TERGIPROIETTORI [HEADLIGHT WIPER] Si (102)
TETTO APRIBILE ELETTRICO [SUNROOF WITH ELECTRICAL DRIVE] No (400)
TPMS (TIREPRESSURE MONITORING SYSTEM) Si (365)
Traffic Message Channel PRO No (9L3)
UCONNECT RCALL AND ECALL SERVICES No (RSR)
UCONNECT TOUCH 8.4N CD/DVD/MP3/NAV Si (RB5)
UGELLI RISCALDATI PER TERGICRISTALLO [HEATED WINDSHIELD WASHER SPOUTS] Si (110)
UNIVERSAL GARAGE DOOR OPENER Si (XGD)
USB CHARGING PORT Si (RS3)
VERNICE METALLIZZATA 1 [METALLIC PAINT 1] No (5CC)
VERNICE METALLIZZATA 4 [METALLIC PAINT 4] No (5DN)
VERNICE METALLIZZATA 5 [METALLIC PAINT 5] No (5DP)
VERNICE METALLIZZATA 6 [METALLIC PAINT 6] No (5DQ)
VERNICE PASTELLO A PAGAMENTO [PASTEL PAINT AT EXTRA COST] No (5B2)
VERNICE PASTELLO EXTRA SERIE 1 [PASTEL PAINT EXTRA SERIES 1] No (5CF)
VOLANTE E POMELLO COM. CAMBIO IN PELLE [STEERING WHEEL AND SHIFT STICK HANDLE WITH LEATHER LINING] No (320)
VOLANTE EXTRA SERIE 4 [STEERING WHEEL EXTRA SERIES 4] Si (5ZL)
VOLANTE EXTRA SERIE 6 [STEERING WHEEL EXTRA SERIES 6] No (6BN)
VOLANTE SPORTIVO [SPORTS STEERING WHEEL] No (321)
WEST EUROPEAN MAP No (8TW)
 

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Coincidentally, last Friday I visited my local dealer where they had one of the preproduction cars on display for the day. when sitting in the car two things stood out: the drivers seat (very comfortable and supportive by the way) only had manual adjustment; and the 6speed shift lever. I asked the dealer sales manager and the Alfa rep and was told that yes the manual was available and the production seats would be power.
Before I ended up sending my emails to Mr. Marichionne and Mr. Bigland, I as well contacted my local dealer and they too stated definitively that it was going to be a manual and that maybe down the road they would bring the automatic. This is one of the most infuriating aspects of this whole debacle where it was handled so unbelievably poorly by Alfa Romeo US and let's face it, they have a really bad reputation to live down.

Now what I am finding interesting is that I am still awaiting the reply from Chrysler Care on the behalf of Mr. Marichionne (they had sent me a personal email last Friday that they would be responding to me and they did acknowledge even my photo I enclosed (me as a three year old in my dad's Giulietta Sprint that I have used here on my avatar)) so it was 'personalized' and not just some form letter. And Alfa US has been very quiet on Facebook and has not even mentioned the Giulia since Friday. I am hoping that they are starting to realize that maybe....just maybe, they miscalculated the fervor and desire to have this car come over as a manual as well.
 

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do you think a letter writing campaign much like the one BMWCCA members did to get the E36 M3 to the US would work????
naahhh what am I thinking...this is Alfa!...why should we get anything but what they are willing to give us???
 

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All this griping. I just don't get it. Alfas are slowly coming back to the US market. That is a positive that we should all keep in mind.
I agree with this, the gentleman has taken the time to respond. The answer any not be what you like, but credit where it's due - they responded to you personally, they're bringing what looks like a great Alfa back for all of us
 

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True enough. I think they know they have a group of mostly older aficionados from the old days that they will admit will probably not be satisfied with the new models if they are sans manual transmissions. I suspect they figure there won't be a significant enough number to be concerned about. In order to have a viable sales figure with the money they probably have devoted to Alfas' reintroduction in the US, they will not address our desires or concerns. Can't really blame them for the most part. Still...
 

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More than the fact that us manual people are devastated with Alfa's reversal, is how Alfa handled this from the get go. A year ago when the US spec Giulia QV was announced, would there have been any doubt that an automatic transmission version would clearly outsell a manual? Of course not, this is not some huge revelation.. Then why would they announce a manual only for this car? Honestly as a manual fanatic, I found this to be puzzling and maybe not even in the best interest of Alfa's long term future in the US however in the short term selfish way, I would be thrilled as I was finally going to have a chance to own a new Alfa with a manual.

Since both transmissions are now developed and federalized, would it not make more sense to offer both? Would there be any sort of negative fervor that Alfa is experiencing now if last week at the press event they made the surprise announcement stating that the Giulia QV will also be offered in an automatic? Us manual lunatics would have probably been thrilled knowing that this was a good decision for the company for the long term viability of the brand and it's relaunch in the US. And speaking of announcements at the press event, Alfa handled it piss poorly as well by not making any sort of announcement about the last minute reversal and rather only answer questions when someone would notice, hey I thought these things were supposed to be manual only? And for that matter, not letting their dealer's know or the customer service number as well.

I currently own a 2013 Audi S5 (manual) and I would have thought of replacing it with the redesigned S5 coming out next spring however when Audi introduced the car over the summer, they announced that it would be in automatic only. Sure I was disappointed but it was never my first choice anyway because barring an October surprise, I was getting a Giulia QV anyway. My point it is that while I may disagree with Audi's decision, they at least handled it correctly. Plus there is no argument like we have here as they can simply state, 'we did not want to develop a manual and federalize it for such a low take rate' and it would be hard to argue other than question the take rates.

And speaking of take rates of manuals, when Audi announced the decision for the next generation S5, there was disappointment from my fellow manual enthusiasts in the Audi forum I also belong to, but not NEARLY like the passion here and all over the web in regards to the non-manual Giulia QV. Clearly there is a significant market for a manual version of this car here which makes the decision and how Alfa handled it all the more perplexing.

And as far as the reply from Mr. Bigland, yes I was quite surprised that not only did he personally reply, but did so right away. That said, it has also been a week now since I received a personal acknowledgement from Chrysler Care in regards to Mr. Marchionne's email that I had sent and they had stated that they would be replying as well but have not done so yet.
 

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What surprise.... ?!

Not a surprise. Most US consumers want cup holders and automatic transmissions.
Well guys0:), all of you who are shouting for a manual trans version, shouldn´t you develope some doubts whether your fellow countrymen still are really able to handle this technical feauture ??

Reading this I wouldn´t really bet about the percentage .....>:):wink2:
 

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All this griping. I just don't get it. Alfas are slowly coming back to the US market. That is a positive that we should all keep in mind.
the "griping" at least on my part, is more about the lack of "Correct" information...when you follow the timeline for the Giulia it is like a game of telephone..by the time the last guy hears the message the story has changed...
from the very start they (Alfa) went out of their way to say that the initial QV's in the US would be manuals..that they(the cars) cannot be spec'd out..you get to choose from the allocation your dealer gets...
personally, as a buyer (deposit since June of 2015), I accepted that was the price of admission, and the added appeal was that it was a manual just because it is my personal preference..now after repeated delays, the game has changed...now we get an auto-shift ZF8...
I think that is what is the rub here...
the fact that he responded to the email is just plain old good sense on his part it goes a long way...
 

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Well guys0:), all of you who are shouting for a manual trans version, shouldn´t you develope some doubts whether your fellow countrymen still are really able to handle this technical feauture ??

Reading this I wouldn´t really bet about the percentage .....>:):wink2:
My current daily driver is a Subaru WRX STI. It is ONLY available in a manual and sells reasonably well as a halo car for Subaru. It greatly outsold its former competition, the Mitsubishi Evo X, which had an auto option. Its new competition, the Focus RS is also only available in manual, and there is a line out the door to purchase one and dealers are charging $10k+ markups on them.

Yes, in the traditional luxury and family car markets the take rate for manuals is very low. I can understand why the base Giulia would be auto only. But performance-oriented cars don't necessarily play by the same rules.
 

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the "griping" at least on my part, is more about the lack of "Correct" information...when you follow the timeline for the Giulia it is like a game of telephone..by the time the last guy hears the message the story has changed...
from the very start they (Alfa) went out of their way to say that the initial QV's in the US would be manuals..that they(the cars) cannot be spec'd out..you get to choose from the allocation your dealer gets...
personally, as a buyer (deposit since June of 2015), I accepted that was the price of admission, and the added appeal was that it was a manual just because it is my personal preference..now after repeated delays, the game has changed...now we get an auto-shift ZF8...
I think that is what is the rub here...
the fact that he responded to the email is just plain old good sense on his part it goes a long way...
Yep....you hit the nail on the head here. On a personal level, this sudden about face in product planning right before the release of the car really screwed me. The lease of my Audi S5 is up at the end of the month and I was planning on replacing it with a Giulia QV (if I had to extend the lease of the Audi a month or two while the Giulia awaits delivery that would have been fine) however now I would either have to scramble to figure out an alternative which no matter what is a compromise to what I had my heart set on and what I was told for a year that would be absolutely available, or simply buy the lease out of my S5 to buy me some time to figure it all out. I am most likely going to do the latter also for the hopes that Alfa does change it's mind in the next few months.

MDriver, am I to assume that you are a current BMW M driver? If so, which one? I am now considering an M4
 

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What bothers me further regarding the 180 on the availability of the MT, is my worry that the abysmal way that AR is handling the roll out of this car (major delays, lack of information, contradictions) is probably indicative of the way they will provide service and support to US customers. I can work on my own late model Spider. But this isn't a hobby car. If something technical goes wrong with it, the only way to fix it is via the dealer service "network." I am willing to accept some degree of teething trouble (both with the car and the service; I am not expecting a white glove BMW service experience), but utter failure of service support is going to be unacceptable.
 

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@james..name gives it away huh? I currently have still an 89 E30 M3, 95 E36M3 (Track Car), E39M5 and an E92 M3..
I had an E34M5 that I sold so I could get an F80M3...and I kept that for a year but it did not thrill me. When all the rumors of the QV started to come to fruition I traded in the F80 on a BMW truck. The F80 was okay...yes it was better than the E90/92....but it just felt sterile to me...again my personal opinion. I really wanted to like the car. So when/if the QV arrives I will trade in my E92 to the dealer and sell the track car as I no longer really do HPD events with much frequency...
At least with the F80 you had a manual, I liked it for that...drive one with the comp package..maybe those feel better??
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