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My '77 Alfetta GTV came with no gasket/rubber in the back hatch window when i bought it but retained the stainless steel trim held on by several clips with the window urethaned in.

Now i know the early Alfettas came with a special gasket that has a provision for the stainless trim and i obtained a new old stock original Pirelli gasket.

Now the guy trying to put in my window says its not fitting and it must have been urethaned in from the factory. I don't think this is correct, i think all '76-'79 Alfetta GT's had a rear window gasket?

Can anyone verify this? Thanks
 

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Yes,

Early coupes have a glue-in front windscreen with trim fitted to clips embedded into the glue. In Oz I'm pretty sure this equates to the GT having glue, and the GTV having gasket. The early glass is actually about 5mm smaller all 'round than the later gasketed windscreen. Same type of fit for the rear glass, though I'm unsure if the glass is a different size.

The trims are certainly of different design, at least for the windscreen and I assume also for the rear glass. Early trim pices sit against the panel causing rust.

The plastic bumber cars have a different gasket again.



HINTS:

1. If you need to remove the early glass, dont pull the trim up and bend it back at all. If you do it will never sit right again.

2. For the later glass, remove and install by removing and installing the gasket from the body, with the glass in the gasket. Don't try to pull the 'spreader' trim out of the rubber either (see point 1 above).

Make sure you refit that small rubber 'ramp' to the lower section of the later winscreen trim or your ventilation will suck.

You don't need to know how I know all this ;)
 

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Thanks Beatle, We got the front windscreen in fine, with the gasket.

Its the rear window that im confused about, it was urethaned in, but i had a feeling it is not original, the car is a '77 GTV so i thought it should have the gasket type.

I'll get a window specialist to give it a go me thinks.
 

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Ok i've had a closer look. It looks like i definitely have the window and trim to suit a glue in job. Even with different clips i do not think there is any way of getting this trim to work with this rubber :(

It seems bizarre that the front window would have a gasket and the rear a glue in? But then again nothing should be a surprise with any old Italian car :p

Does anyone have any idea what the difference is with the other type of trim? The type to suit this rubber in the photos?
 

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I have a bag of those clips somewhere. They came off the red sedan that gave its life for the Alfetta Sill Cut thread from a while back. If I recall, the glue in glass (at least on the front) has clips tucked under it, and the pictured clips attach to these ??. Maybe it's just the clip that sits under the edge of the glass and the trim clips to this :confused:.

To get your gasket to work you simply need to source some kind of insert that is a tightish fit into that groove in the rubber. You could try one of the vintage rubber suppliers (Scotts ?) The idea is that the trim insert splays the rubber slightly to give a good seal against the body and glass. In fact, you can likely drive around for ages minus the trim until you find something suitable. The original insert on the '79/80 cars is chrome/stainless, but the plastic bumper cars have a plastic insert I'm sure, and lots of 1980s 'regular' cars (Lasers, Landcruisers etc) have a similar insert style gasket.

I certainly recommend the application of a SMALL AMOUNT of windscreen mastic under the outer lip of the gasket. This will help keep out the moisture and resist corrosion.

Don't use too much as it is a bugger to remove big clumps of the stuff should you need to remove the rubber again, and don't do the underside as you want any moisture to have an escape route.

The windscreen opening in the body is identical on early and later coupes, at least to 1982. My guess is that either your car has had an earlier hatch fitted at some stage, or more likely the windscreen has been changed to the gasketted style. I did this change on my white '76 GT.
 

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GCL,

Do you have a copy of the Alfa Owners Bible ????

If so, you can see photos of a gasketted front and rear glass on page 68 (Fig. 3-11 and 3-12)

The trim you have is folded 'under' along the edges to secure to the clips (like a flattened C).

The trim for gasketted glass is folded 'out' at the sides to slip under the edges of the gasket (like the ohms symbol, in cross section).
 

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GCL,

Do you have a copy of the Alfa Owners Bible ????

If so, you can see photos of a gasketted front and rear glass on page 68 (Fig. 3-11 and 3-12)

The trim you have is folded 'under' along the edges to secure to the clips (like a flattened C).

The trim for gasketted glass is folded 'out' at the sides to slip under the edges of the gasket (like the ohms symbol, in cross section).
Yep i have a copy of the bible, i had a look. The trim looks very much the same on the outside as the trim i have but the other side is different. I had a look at the trim that came off my 105 and it is a different design, it has an upside down "L" shape that inserts into the rubber on the back side of the trim where as this trim only works with the clips, that as you said, clips under the glass then onto the trim, no way of using the rubber with it.

So i managed to urethane in the glass with the clips and trim today. Although it wasnt an overly difficult job it was rather messy, if i ever have to do this again i'll get a window installer to do it.

Thanks for your help Beatle...

Anyone want to buy a NOS Pirelli Alfetta GT gasket?? :D

So its
 
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