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Hey everyone,

I've been slowly evaluating the upgrade of my 164 S's stereo. While I'm usually a stickler for OEM in any car, I definitely feel that as much as I love the sound of the engine, I'm ready to have some better sound and XM as well.

Pioneer has a 1.5 DIN unit...the DEH-P77DH, which seems to get stellar reviews on Crutchfield and other sites. I think this would look much better as an integrated unit. It's got good power and is satellite radio ready.

Has anyone installed this? Or do people just put in a 1 DIN stereo and a blanking plate around the rest of the hole?

Best,
Paul
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Both of my cars came with aftermarket single din headunits with the bracket in place... so I had not trouble installing other single DIN upgrades in there... a 1.5 DIN is also a good choice as it fits perfectly.

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That is a very good question, I will be interested to know if these will fit, as well.
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My friend had it in his car. I though it looked a little bulky and cheap, too many lights going on. Looks very after market. Just my opinion. Stuck out too far, just did not match the car well.
I went with the single DIN, blaupunkt unit, Skyline Munchen
Here is mine with single din:

It is an actual flip down CD player, fantastic noise to sound ratio, EQ and all that fun stuff. No big light show either.

If your looking for great sound and quality with a OEM look....Nakamichi makes some good good ones. CD 300, 400 and 500 are all nice. Have green or orange illumination to match car. 24 bit 8 times oversampling is stellar. RDS is fun too with some stations you get the station ID info and song info. My blaupunkt has that which is kind of cool.
Have a shop make a bracket with a out plate to make it flush. I made my own with plastic. Just enough room for the flip down face...well to flip down but flush and does not stick out. I may go for a nakamichi soon as my blaupunkt is hard to see when the light hits it. Mine is a 1998 version, newer ones are much brighter.

http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html


Not sure on how the sound is as I usually add a good amp and good speakers. I prefer MB Quart or Polk, amps that you may want to consider, alpine V12 are great sounding, ADS, pioneer. many more.

Just some help, not sure if it did that or not?

Jason

BTW interested in the same unit as mine here:http://carsound.com/review_archive/hd_units/munchen.html

They are still available, they have a 1bit converter with 32X over sampling. Awesome unit too.

Hey everyone,

I've been slowly evaluating the upgrade of my 164 S's stereo. While I'm usually a stickler for OEM in any car, I definitely feel that as much as I love the sound of the engine, I'm ready to have some better sound and XM as well.

Pioneer has a 1.5 DIN unit...the DEH-P77DH, which seems to get stellar reviews on Crutchfield and other sites. I think this would look much better as an integrated unit. It's got good power and is satellite radio ready.

Has anyone installed this? Or do people just put in a 1 DIN stereo and a blanking plate around the rest of the hole?

Best,
Paul
'91 164 S
 

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Crutchfield doesn't list the 1.5 DIN as fitting the 164, but it still might. A Nakamichi would be my first choice with Alpine being the next. I have already installed some NOS Acoustic Research speakers in the front and some killer Polk Audios in the back, just need a head unit and an a/d/s amp. I used to have a PQ10 that was very musical, they are definitely an audiophile grade amp and not an "SPL Contest" amp.
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I think the 1.5 Din stuff is too expensive and they are not upgraded as often since the market is very limited. I got three Blaupunkt units for my 164's and GTV6 while they are at the lower end of the line they are leaps and bounds nicer than the cassette units that were there. They also has the mp3 connections so I don't have to pop in CD's too often. Mine looks similar to Jason's but I like posting pics so here it is. Oh and just pick up a face plate from a similar year Crysler Mini Van and you'll be golden. I think mine was $20.00 or so.
 

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My friend had it in his car. I though it looked a little bulky and cheap, too many lights going on. Looks very after market. Just my opinion. Stuck out too far, just did not match the car well.
I went with the single DIN, blaupunkt unit, Skyline Munchen
Hi Jason,
I'm impressed with the good taste shown by other 164 owners ;)

But did you have to post the link to that porn site (http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html) - I've come over all funny now - even that music is wonderful. I can see my credit card melting over that one. Look how discreet the 'Multimedia' system is. Resembles the factory setup in a BMW...

I put a (Skyline) London in my last 164 - it looked very similar to your Munchen (pic below). I used the AUX-in on the back of the unit - as I recall, I had a line-out lead that I shaved the plug slightly so it would fit into the AUX connector at one end. I fitted a 3.5mm plug to the other end of the lead and ran this to the Belkin Auto Kit (in the lighter socket) that powered my iPod and provided a line-level output. I found that the headphone output on the iPod was not satisfactory (too quiet) as a line-level.

One of the simple but effective Blaupunkt features was the ability to turn the unit 'on' with the ignition key off. Another feature was the separate day/night brightness settings. Does yours have RDS? Only a couple of our stations do, but that way you get the song names on the LCD - a nice touch.

Both my 164s have had a single-DIN slot in the dash with a fold-down door (like a garage door) over them. It looks like the US-market 164s are different? I've just ordered a stereo that is slightly larger than DIN size, so I hope I'll be able to make space for it. If not, maybe I should investigate the possiblity of importing the housing from a US-car?

Thanks,
-Alex
 

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Hi Jason,
I'm impressed with the good taste shown by other 164 owners ;)

But did you have to post the link to that porn site (http://www.nakamichi.com/flash.html) - I've come over all funny now - even that music is wonderful. I can see my credit card melting over that one. Look how discreet the 'Multimedia' system is. Resembles the factory setup in a BMW...

I put a (Skyline) London in my last 164 - it looked very similar to your Munchen (pic below). I used the AUX-in on the back of the unit - as I recall, I had a line-out lead that I shaved the plug slightly so it would fit into the AUX connector at one end. I fitted a 3.5mm plug to the other end of the lead and ran this to the Belkin Auto Kit (in the lighter socket) that powered my iPod and provided a line-level output. I found that the headphone output on the iPod was not satisfactory (too quiet) as a line-level.

One of the simple but effective Blaupunkt features was the ability to turn the unit 'on' with the ignition key off. Another feature was the separate day/night brightness settings. Does yours have RDS? Only a couple of our stations do, but that way you get the song names on the LCD - a nice touch.

Both my 164s have had a single-DIN slot in the dash with a fold-down door (like a garage door) over them. It looks like the US-market 164s are different? I've just ordered a stereo that is slightly larger than DIN size, so I hope I'll be able to make space for it. If not, maybe I should investigate the possiblity of importing the housing from a US-car?

Thanks,
-Alex
Nice Alex.

See the only problem I have is with the sun coming down on the stereo and I cannot see anything. I am bringing over from europe a center console like yours so the stereo can sit back inside and I can read it. Plus I can hide it.!
I am looking at an ipod myself or a Blaupunkt CD changer? I hate flippin through trying to find music! (yes I like to listen to music and not the the wonderful alfa engine sometimes! ;) )
I like that I can add whatever to this stereo and that for it being almost 10 years old still one of the best out there. No glitz, just function! The sound is amazing and clear.
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See the only problem I have is with the sun coming down on the stereo and I cannot see anything. I am bringing over from europe a center console like yours so the stereo can sit back inside and I can read it. Plus I can hide it.!
J
Yes - however... I've been looking at the other photos in this thread and I now realise that all sorts of parts are different between the Europeans and the US cars. Take a look at the vertical trim 'bar' that covers the screws for the climate-control panel. It has a kink at the bottom on my cars (to frame the ashtray), but it is straight on US cars. The panel that the gearshift (auto or manual) sits in runs straight forward on my cars, whereas it slopes upwards to meet the dashboard on US cars. Even the carpet side panels are likely to be a different shape due to the shifter-trim difference.

EDIT: I think I can make-out that the centre-tunnel trim meets the support frame at the same angle, so it may be just the shifter trim that needs changing, and the ashtray to be installed, which needs the removal of the support frame from the dashboard.

So I think you'd need a number of parts to fit the radio housing from a European model. The pic of the 164QV in the 'steering wheel' thread has me confused though - the one with a non-airbag steering wheel - is that a European car, as that appears to have the same type of trim as mine? Apart from being 'mirrored', of course.

I also realised (off-topic) that your pedals must be offset the other way - I see you rest your clutch foot on the wheelarch: convenient, as we have to have an extra footrest bolted on to the centre tunnel and of course we lose width from the wheelarch as well, with the floormat (sitting on the wheelarch)providing an 'economy restriction' to the accelerator. That must be why so many Italian cars have a tight pedalbox here and less-so in LHD countries...

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Yes - however... I've been looking at the other photos in this thread and I now realise that all sorts of parts are different between the Europeans and the US cars. Take a look at the vertical trim 'bar' that covers the screws for the climate-control panel. It has a kink at the bottom on my cars (to frame the ashtray), but it is straight on US cars. The panel that the gearshift (auto or manual) sits in runs straight forward on my cars, whereas it slopes upwards to meet the dashboard on US cars. Even the carpet side panels are likely to be a different shape due to the shifter-trim difference.
THAT WILL ALL BE REPLACED WITH THE EURO UNIT, WHICH USES THE SAME DASH JUST DIFFERENT BRACKETS. ALL OF THAT WILL BE REPLACED.

EDIT: I think I can make-out that the centre-tunnel trim meets the support frame at the same angle, so it may be just the shifter trim that needs changing, and the ashtray to be installed, which needs the removal of the support frame from the dashboard.

So I think you'd need a number of parts to fit the radio housing from a European model. The pic of the 164QV in the 'steering wheel' thread has me confused though - the one with a non-airbag steering wheel - is that a European car, as that appears to have the same type of trim as mine? Apart from being 'mirrored', of course.

NO AFTERMARKET. HE TOOK THE AIRBAG OUT. ALL USE CAME WITH AIRBAGS

I also realised (off-topic) that your pedals must be offset the other way - I see you rest your clutch foot on the wheelarch: convenient, as we have to have an extra footrest bolted on to the centre tunnel and of course we lose width from the wheelarch as well, with the floormat (sitting on the wheelarch)providing an 'economy restriction' to the accelerator. That must be why so many Italian cars have a tight pedalbox here and less-so in LHD countries...
YEAH, WELL THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR DRIVING ON THE OTHERSIDE ALEX...LOL!!!;)

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Hi Paul:

I installed the Pioneer DEH-P77DH in my 93S and like it. I think it integrates very well with the dash and that is probably the main reason I bought it. As for fit, I recall the face plate trim needed to be shaved slightly on one side. Given the size of the unit and limited access, it takes a little work to get a good fit but it can be done.

The unit sounds pretty good. However, the FM reception is not so great in my area (so much for its "Supertuner"). I installed the iPod adapter under the front passenger seat and ran the cable up through the back of the center console and mounted a Pro Fit iPod Holder on the flat surface behind the window switches. When connected, the iPod display comes on through the DEH-P77DH, but since the unit is an older design the controls are limited and it can take some effort to get to a particular song.

If you don't mind the single DIN look, you can probably get a more modern radio with XM for less money. If you want to fill up the opening with a radio, the DEH-P77DH is a good choice.
 

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Does anyone have a shot of the Pioneer unit installed? I have to revise my earlier statement, the price of this unit is not too bad now. A year and a half ago I think think 1.5 din units I looked at where $379.00 and up. I have allways loved Pioneer units and actually had their first six disk changer with a tape unit TW(Truck Wide) and three pioneer amps, electronic crossover, electronic EQ and twelve Polk Audio spaekers in my CRX and had that car in car shows in 1990/1991. The sound was awesome but is nowhere near what is available now. Having said that I only want clean sound and the ability to add mp3 and 500 songs so the setup works for me.
 

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From 91-93 Alfa had a failed joint venture with Chrysler within the U.S. This is the reason that the radios were unimpressive (IMO) re-branded 1.5 DIN chrysler units. The center console had some parts tacked onto the top front to raise the level to meet the size requirement of the chrysler radios. This negated the very nice radio door and related ashtray. The carpeted side panels are probably the same parts.

If you look at the sides of a U.S. market 91-93 center console alongside the center console used throughout the rest of the world you'll see the extra tacked on bit that the U.S. markets got.

Fortunately the 94-95 U.S. market 164s weren't plagued by this design as the Chysler/Alfa venture failed miserably.
 
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