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Pollution in general is a huge problem that will lead to much more illness and death. The 'global warming" is a bit of a fluff as much of the climate change (air currents, etc.) is aggravated by increased urbanization. Concrete jungles mess up water tables (displaced due to foundations), air currents above built-up areas due to the retention or reflection of heat off of buildings, concrete and added heat from air conditioning units, etc. Yet, the urban planning specialists have been advocating building up urban areas for decades. "Concentrate infrastructure for efficiency, build transit to take cars off roads" may sound solid but it is really just a displacement, not a reduction of pollutants. In Toronto (I grew u there), as in many cities, condominiums were pushed. so, you have thousands of new units built in clumps then people wonder why traffic is congested. The experts then scream for more transit dollars and beat drivers with fees and disincentives. So, what is really warming the air? Cow farts, carbon release or a combination of issues, most of which are ignored? I dunno.
 

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"And this, of course, includes the august personages at Goddard? "

I have no idea, but do you have a problem with them? Or do you think they all just fell off a turnip truck, and are part of the Great International Scientist Cabal?
 

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"And this, of course, includes the august personages at Goddard? "

I have no idea, but do you have a problem with them? Or do you think they all just fell off a turnip truck, and are part of the Great International Scientist Cabal?
Go get 'em Del!!!
 

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Pollution in general is a huge problem that will lead to much more illness and death. The 'global warming" is a bit of a fluff as much of the climate change (air currents, etc.) is aggravated by increased urbanization. Concrete jungles mess up water tables (displaced due to foundations), air currents above built-up areas due to the retention or reflection of heat off of buildings, concrete and added heat from air conditioning units, etc. Yet, the urban planning specialists have been advocating building up urban areas for decades. "Concentrate infrastructure for efficiency, build transit to take cars off roads" may sound solid but it is really just a displacement, not a reduction of pollutants. In Toronto (I grew u there), as in many cities, condominiums were pushed. so, you have thousands of new units built in clumps then people wonder why traffic is congested. The experts then scream for more transit dollars and beat drivers with fees and disincentives. So, what is really warming the air? Cow farts, carbon release or a combination of issues, most of which are ignored? I dunno.
I don't think it's cow farts. It's more like cow belching. Farts are only a small part of the methane created by cows.

Don't waste your efforts on this thread, the nay sayers will just ignore your post or pooh pooh it off as heresy.
 

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I don't think it's cow farts. It's more like cow belching. Farts are only a small part of the methane created by cows.

Don't waste your efforts on this thread, the nay sayers will just ignore your post or pooh pooh it off as heresy.
I'm neither a "believer" or "unbeliever". I am questioning motives all around. The anti-climate types that have a vested interest in maintaining the industries that feed them will fight against changes. The pro-climate types are happy to label everyone who questions their charts as "deniers" and will fight to implement changes, regardless of any evidence that this world has been "warming" since the end of the last ice age (which was around 5000 bc, not 50,000 bc..... but that's anther debate). Neither side will bother to give a second of thought to the masses of historical information, in the form of "folklore" (that's what scientists call oral history) that has described catastrophic warming in the past.
Both are correct and incorrect.
As for the 1100 or so scientist-types that have signed that letter, I do not doubt that most believe in their cause but governments will use that fear of climate-catastrophe to tighten their hold on territory and food sources, not change their carbon footprint. Would your government raise taxes, risk many short-term job losses and open their borders to those seeking refuge if that government really believed that things will get worse, sooner than predicted, if another government chose to tighten their border policies, ramp up food production and secure their energy reserves instead? This type of fear will lead to hoarding of resources, not lessening of carbon production. Ask yourselves why wars start.
 
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