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I posted the Great Lakes temps to show the decline in unaltered data since the huge El Nino that peaked in 2016.
If you would like to review a very extensive history of unaltered temp data just look up Tony Heller.
Heller has already been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Still waiting on actual research- not blog posts, not political editorials- actual peer reviewed scientific research disputing the fact (not the cause of) climate change.
 

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Anyone/everyone is practicing anti-science when they bash CO2 as a "pollutant." It's not. CO2 is required for all plant life...for all food...the opposite of a pollutant.

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

Bring on this so-called disaster already then. We're tired of waiting for the end of days being re-announced every 20 years.
 

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Anyone/everyone is practicing anti-science when they bash CO2 as a "pollutant." It's not. CO2 is required for all plant life...for all food...the opposite of a pollutant.

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

Bring on this so-called disaster already then. We're tired of waiting for the end of days being re-announced every 20 years.
Hmm, I though CO2 was organic, like oil. :)
 

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Water is vital for life too, but drink too much water and it can kill you. C02 isn’t inherently a pollutant, but radically altering the amount in the admosphere could be a big problem for the current species. In pre historic times, there have been mass extinctions when the carbon balance shifted.
 

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Water is vital for life too, but drink too much water and it can kill you. C02 isn’t inherently a pollutant, but radically altering the amount in the admosphere could be a big problem for the current species. In pre historic times, there have been mass extinctions when the carbon balance shifted.
I would say all of the mass extinctions were caused by rises in CO2 or changes to O2 levels, in general. There are many theories, but most point to plate tectonics, volcanism, methane, asteroids, sea level changes......

Global warming and cooling have been going on since the dawn of time. It's just going at a faster rate, now.

The naysayers think everything is just fine and that we should continue to crap where we live.:surprise:
 

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Sudden mass extinctions have been mainly attributed to equally massive geological events.
Asteroid impact or extensive volcanic activity such as what is now called Washington State.
Or the Deccan Traps in India.
CO2 concentrations may have changed but were not life threatening.
--Friends of CO2 Society.
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Sudden mass extinctions have been mainly attributed to equally massive geological events.
Asteroid impact or extensive volcanic activity such as what is now called Washington State.
Or the Deccan Traps in India.
CO2 concentrations may have changed but were not life threatening.
--Friends of CO2 Society.
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Well, a big reason why those volcanos and meteors did so much damage to the existing species is by altering the gas balance in the atmosphere.

Carbon isn’t inherently good or bad- it’s just part of the atmospheric balance. Certain species thrive at a specific balance and do not survive when it changes. Problem is the current biomass is mostly evolved to live in the pre-modern atmospheric balance.
 

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Actually, coastal bonds and mortgages are an issue. Take it from Black Rock, one of the largest investment firms in the world:

https://www.blackrockblog.com/2019/04/17/climate-risks-impact-to-portfolios/

And mortgages in coastal area are starting to be a problem due to the cost of flood insurance- mortgage underwriters will not fund mortgages without it on the coast. The only reason you can get flood insurance in a lot of coastal areas is that it’s federally subsidized.
"Apocalyptic religion", you mean Christianity and Islam? Christianity was "founded" by an apocalyptic prophet. These two world religions have fully developed eschatological speculation. For the true believers, global warming is all part of "god's plan".

What if you are wrong about the adverse effects of global warming on life? Have you ever asked yourself this question?

Reading their writings and listening to them speak it is clear that deniers tend to have a rudimentary or non-existent understanding of even basic science and the work of scientists. For some, it is often about thumbing their nose at "authority". They're the one who 'stick it to the man" by not wearing their seat belts while driving, who justify smoking two packs of tobacco cigarettes a day because "you've got to die of something", or that they just know that medical researchers have it wrong about tobacco causing cancer. They are generally miserable, ignorant, selfish and thoughtless people. And some apparently own Alfas.
 

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What is the optimum temperature range for the planet? Please provide strict proof that a bit warmer is the wrong direction. With or without humans, there will be variation over time.
 

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Well, a big reason why those volcanos and meteors did so much damage to the existing species is by altering the gas balance in the atmosphere.

Carbon isn’t inherently good or bad- it’s just part of the atmospheric balance. Certain species thrive at a specific balance and do not survive when it changes. Problem is the current biomass is mostly evolved to live in the pre-modern atmospheric balance.
A good portion of today's plant life originally evolved with CO2 concentrations from 1500 ppm to something like 5,000 ppm.
You know--them little suckers--but not as tiny as ppbs.
Below 150 ppm and most life was we know it dies.

Now let's see--you state that the main damage has been done by "altering the gas balance of the planet"
A huge asteroid fits the Earth and blasts a hole the size of Hudson's Bay or the Caribbean.
The intense heat and molten rock covers a large portion of the Earth, and then the sudden drop in temps. All of which wipes out a good portion of life on Earth.
And you focus on "gas balance".
Please explain.
 

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We've been burning fossil fuels at ever increasing rates since the dawn of the industrial revolution. Clearly a substantial amount of CO2 gas has already been introduced into the atmosphere as a result. We know the effects CO2 has on climate, although estimates and models vary, the empirical evidence is clear for a trend towards global warming. The objection posed by most skeptics now seems to be "yeah, so it will get a bit hotter, so what"? So should we stop adding CO2 now, when in fact it may still only get a bit hotter, or should we keep going until it kills us all for certain?
 

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Good etiquette says no religion or politics at social gatherings you BELIEVE or you DON'T in many ways climate change is no different. It has become a believe it or not situation no winners or losers just arguments
 

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Good etiquette says no religion or politics at social gatherings...
Global warming is now a religion. A huge red flag was thrown when it was stated that the science was settled. By definition, science is never settled. Science should always be open minded. If CO2 is cause and not the effect, why are the climate models so inaccurate?

Obtaining source climate data is near impossible. Adjusted results are published with a bias toward maintaining research funding.
 

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Well, a big reason why those volcanos and meteors did so much damage to the existing species is by altering the gas balance in the atmosphere.

Carbon isn’t inherently good or bad- it’s just part of the atmospheric balance. Certain species thrive at a specific balance and do not survive when it changes. Problem is the current biomass is mostly evolved to live in the pre-modern atmospheric balance.
A good portion of today's plant life originally evolved with CO2 concentrations from 1500 ppm to something like 5,000 ppm.
You know--them little suckers--but not as tiny as ppbs.
Below 150 ppm and most life was we know it dies.

Now let's see--you state that the main damage has been done by "altering the gas balance of the planet"
A huge asteroid fits the Earth and blasts a hole the size of Hudson's Bay or the Caribbean.
The intense heat and molten rock covers a large portion of the Earth, and then the sudden drop in temps. All of which wipes out a good portion of life on Earth.
And you focus on "gas balance".
Please explain.

Asteroid strikes and volcanos were hardly the only cause of mass extinctions. The great oxidation event was another:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event

Sure, some life is quite resilient to a wide range of temperature and gas concentrations. Some not so much. Other life evolves to take its place. Not good or bad, but might be bad for humans.
 
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