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Ar 6c8613507

My 6C 1750 GT IV series, chassis number 8613507, (UK plate GN 597), has the engine number 10914563, (V series). They told me that the original engine was broken in 1931, and Alfa Romeo has given to the owner the new 10914563 to put on the car.
I would like to know better the history of my car. Someone can help me ?
Thank you.
I do not know the early history of your car. My historical notes begin 1962 when Laurence P. Sawers became a member of the Alfa Romeo Section of the VSCC in England. Mr. Sawers appeared as "L.C. Sawers" in the listing of 1962 and later as well. The chassis number 8613507 was noted as was the engine number 10914563 and the registration number "GN597".

I saw this car during 2012 when I visited Maurizio Tabucchi and he showed me his very nice collection of cars. He did not tell me much of anything about this one but I noted later that it had been auctioned 2010 and I can think it likely that Mr. Tabucchi was the purchaser at that auction. Laurence Sawers advertised the car a few years earlier than the auction date and I do not know if someone else purchased the car and owned it in the time period between that advertisement and the auction sale.

I can supply the address information for Mr. Sawers so that you may attempt to contact him. Please send me a PM so that I may do this privately.

A possible lead to learning more might be to check the company whose rebuild specification plate is on the engine. That plate shows that the engine was rebuilt at some time by "Barley Mow Engineering Co.". To my eyes, the nature of the plate suggests that it was probably the 1950's or earlier, maybe even the 1930's when such plates were something of an industry standard. Looking up the name online, we find that the "Barley Mow Engineering Limited" name (incorporated 1947) was dissolved officially during 1982/1983. We can guess that Marley Mow Engineering Co. may have become "Limited" during 1947? There is an "Old Barley Mow Garage" listed in Betchworth, Surrey at this time. If they are related, and if they have the older records somewhere, there may be some clue to earlier ownership under the reference number "3094"?

Best of luck!

John de Boer
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AR 6C8613507 and motore 6C10914563

I should mention that it seems unlikely that the engine AR 6C10914563 was fitted as a factory replacement into 6C8613507. I know nothing about the history of a car numbered 6C10914563 but this does not mean that there was no car. There is a reasonable chance that any history learned from The Barley Mow Garage (mentioned in the posting above) will relate to 6C10914563 rather than 6C8613507. It will be good to know, regardless!
 

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I do not know the early history of your car. My historical notes begin 1962 when Laurence P. Sawers became a member of the Alfa Romeo Section of the VSCC in England. Mr. Sawers appeared as "L.C. Sawers" in the listing of 1962 and later as well. The chassis number 8613507 was noted as was the engine number 10914563 and the registration number "GN597".

I saw this car during 2012 when I visited Maurizio Tabucchi and he showed me his very nice collection of cars. He did not tell me much of anything about this one but I noted later that it had been auctioned 2010 and I can think it likely that Mr. Tabucchi was the purchaser at that auction. Laurence Sawers advertised the car a few years earlier than the auction date and I do not know if someone else purchased the car and owned it in the time period between that advertisement and the auction sale.

I can supply the address information for Mr. Sawers so that you may attempt to contact him. Please send me a PM so that I may do this privately.

A possible lead to learning more might be to check the company whose rebuild specification plate is on the engine. That plate shows that the engine was rebuilt at some time by "Barley Mow Engineering Co.". To my eyes, the nature of the plate suggests that it was probably the 1950's or earlier, maybe even the 1930's when such plates were something of an industry standard. Looking up the name online, we find that the "Barley Mow Engineering Limited" name (incorporated 1947) was dissolved officially during 1982/1983. We can guess that Marley Mow Engineering Co. may have become "Limited" during 1947? There is an "Old Barley Mow Garage" listed in Betchworth, Surrey at this time. If they are related, and if they have the older records somewhere, there may be some clue to earlier ownership under the reference number "3094"?

Best of luck!

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry

Dear John, I will send you a MP.
Thank you !!!!
 

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If it is Laurence Sawyers car then I viewed it many years ago when he was thinking of selling, a charming gentleman. He later wrote a piece for the Alfa Romeo Register (in the UK) on his time with the car, the editor may be able to provide a back copy.
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If it is Laurence Sawyers car then I viewed it many years ago when he was thinking of selling, a charming gentleman. He later wrote a piece for the Alfa Romeo Register (in the UK) on his time with the car, the editor may be able to provide a back copy.
Chris
Thank you, I will try to contact VSSC in UK !
 

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Hello ou bonjour,
My name:Jacques van Kesteren ,I owned a 6C1750 GT of 1930,in Belgium since 1934
after a horrible crash,it was rebuild in Brussel from a coachbuilder name BIDEE who made also on AR 1750 chassis
two other body for concours d'élégance one in New zealand,the other disapeared
he made also two other body on Alvis and SS,this car still in the neighbour !!
I drove ,last year my car in sicilia for the Giro and without trail
I have heard that this car was in the USA around 1948-1951 and pass throug De Dobbeleir and resaled to Mr Haumont
registred in 1954 :7680S and let to 2005 whn died.the car was completely restaured from high specialist
now the numbers:chassis:8613270 engine:8623280 gearbox:16X28 8143280
greating
 

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6C 1500S Chassis No 0211351

I have recently purchased a 1928 6C 1500SS. The chassis number is 0211351 with coach work by WC & RC Atcherley (my great uncle & grandfather). The original UK number (license) plate was XV 6324
We're currently compiling the full history of this car from its birth in Birmingham, England, its life in the UK, then Belgium, Canada & back to Belgium.
We have the original owner
A gap from the 1930's to the1950s
50s-70s some history
From 1975 ful ownership history

We have photos of the car at Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb in England in 1929, the next photos are from the 80's in James fack's book "The Lost Coachbuilder". If any one has any information or photos of this car it would be of great interest.
 

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Hi John,

about 6C0312961 (ex-Art Wennerstrom) ( can it be Wennestrom?)

You asked where the car went after Wennestrom.
I have seen an internet page of the sale of this car by Bonhams ( lot 537 / Paris 5 febrari 2011)
When you google " Artur Wennestrom" , you will find that page of the Bonhams sale.

Please find also an old picture of Wennestrom in his car in an oldtimer Rally ( Prima Prova Vettura Antiche Stresa -Mottarone 20 maggio 1962)
I bought that picture on ebay some time ago. Perhaps there was a time that Wennestrom had this picture himself.
Does he live? Then he might remember this rally?

Rgds
Thierry
 

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Art Wennerstrom

Art is a friend and the spelling is indeed "Wennerstrom". He is alive and I will pass the photo on to him. It is rather similar to an image published June 1962 in the magazine "Quattroruote". The Fiat shown in your photo was almost certainly driven by a man named "Tenconi" rather than "Tinconi". He is also still with us. Art's Alfa 6C (0312961) was last reported (November 2017) to be in Japan.
 

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I have recently purchased a 1928 6C 1500SS. The chassis number is 0211351 with coach work by WC & RC Atcherley (my great uncle & grandfather). The original UK number (license) plate was XV 6324
We're currently compiling the full history of this car from its birth in Birmingham, England, its life in the UK, then Belgium, Canada & back to Belgium.
We have the original owner
A gap from the 1930's to the1950s
50s-70s some history
From 1975 ful ownership history

We have photos of the car at Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb in England in 1929, the next photos are from the 80's in James fack's book "The Lost Coachbuilder". If any one has any information or photos of this car it would be of great interest.
are you converting it back to he original fenders? they look very unique.
Martin (6C ex Peter Sutcliffe)
 

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Dear Mr. de Boer,
i'm a new user and I don't know if this is the right place to write you.
I'm managing, for my client, a purchase of AR 6C 1750 1929 (after 1930 owned by Benito Mussolini).
We received photos of your inspection in 2012 and we would know only if you confirm this your inspection, chassis no. .. (if you are available to help us we can send you photos other info).

thank you so much

P.S. I hope my english is not so bad :(
 

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6C8613270, re-bodied by Bidee?

Thank you "van Kesteren" (Jacques) for the information about your car. I don't know why I did not get around to responding to your posting of last October.

The chassis number dates from 1930 for (normally) a 6C1750GT and the "engine" number "8623280" you reported is certainly the crankcase number stamped to the rear of the crankcase, behind the cylinder block? The engine number stamping (also on the crankcase, usually on the left side towards the front for "GT" engines) has been removed?

The gearbox seems appropriately mated to the engine.

There will be other parts that are numbered as well. Please report all that you find.

I would like to confirm that you believe the car first arrived in Belgium during 1934. I am not doubting you when I ask, how do you know this? And the time period 1948 to 1951 in the USA? Same question.

A similarly bodied car appeared in Belgium during 1947/48.

A certain Jean De Dobbeleer (spelling more commonly seen as "Jean de Dobeleer" of Bruxelles) was also involved with sales of:

6C10814345
6C121315124
8C2111006

More to study!

John
 
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