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Hi,
I am a new member and interested in the history of prewar 1750 and
1500s and have the following questions:
1.Does any one know whether there is a database for Chassis numbers?
2.Does the factory answers questions with regard to specific Chassis numbers?

Thank you for your kind reply
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Hi,
I am a new member and interested in the history of prewar 1750 and
1500s and have the following questions:
1.Does any one know whether there is a database for Chassis numbers?
2.Does the factory answers questions with regard to specific Chassis numbers?

Thank you for your kind reply
bell 904
1. Chassis numbers: There is the list of chassis numbers in Fusi's book, of which scans can be found in this thread. I'm not sure if there is a register for these cars. I know there is a 6C 2500 register in Italy and Simon Moore's books documenting all original 8C 2300 and 8C 2900 cars. They may know of 6C 1500 and 6C 1750 cars as well.

2. Yes, you can contact the Alfa Romeo historical archive via [email protected] or www.archiviostorico.alfaromeo.it.
 

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There is also a book from 1989 or 1990 by Angela Cherrett called "Alfa Romeo Tipo 6C: 1500, 1750, 1900" (Foulis Motoring Book) that you may find somewhere. However, I understand the book has many photos but no chassis numbers.

I understand Angela Cherrett is/was the registrar of the Alfa Romeo section of the VSSC in the UK (http://www.vscc.co.uk). Maybe you can contact them via this page and see if you can get in touch with her.
 

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There is no 1750 Register AFAIK, but we can start sharing info here.
My experience with the Archivio Storico is that they send info on post war cars, but it is very difficult to get from prewars. They are always very helpful.
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Luigi Fusi & Roy Slater's 1968 6C1750 Alfa Romeo (out of print) has a list of "Existing Cars" which shows primarily at the time English registered serial #, engine #, body builder, body type, last known owner (in 1968), location and British reg. #. There is also additional info & history available on some specific cars. BTW, usually engine serial # are usually identical to chassis # and are found on the crankcase rather than the actual block
 

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Checked the Angela Cherrett/Fusi 6C book

There is also a book from 1989 or 1990 by Angela Cherrett called "Alfa Romeo Tipo 6C: 1500, 1750, 1900" (Foulis Motoring Book) that you may find somewhere. However, I understand the book has many photos but no chassis numbers.

I understand Angela Cherrett is/was the registrar of the Alfa Romeo section of the VSSC in the UK (http://www.vscc.co.uk). Maybe you can contact them via this page and see if you can get in touch with her.
Hello fellow members,

I checked my copy of the Angela Cherrett book ('Tipo 6c 1500, 1750, 1900'). It contains a lot of photographs but doesn't list the chassisnumbers. It does however list productionfigures per year on page 62.

The Fusi book ('The Alfa 6c 1750') lists a series of production figures with chassis and enginenumbers on page 166. The list of existing cars with engine and chassisnumbers is on page 138 to 140 of the book.

The Fusi bible contains a list of engine and chassisnumbers too.

Ciao, Olaf
 

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A convenient ,if time consuming, way of researching chassis numbers is to enter the actual number together with the word 'Alfa 'into a Google search.I've not done this on any systematic basis but sometimes it has worked when looking up a specific number ,usually if the car has been through the Auctions or if there is some well known race history.It's very hit or miss but it's better than the alternative which is basically nothing.
 

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Alfa Romeo 6C1500 and 6C1750 chassis numbers

Um ... Er ... How do I say this ....

I keep a registry of Alfa Romeo 6C cars! I published a reasonable listing in 1994 in the (unfortunately "latest" published) edition of The Italian Car Registry. Perhaps I should scan those pages and post them here somewhere?

Angela Cherrett keeps a listing as well. One day, I hope that we might combine resources. There probably are others who keep their own private lists.

Generally, my studies and list-sharing work like this. It all started as an informal information exchange and that is what I continue to try to do. If you own (or owned) an interesting low-production Italian car (not just AR6C) and share the information that you have learned as a result of that ownership, then I will share a portion of my listing that covers that car and probably some other cars similar to it. If you do not own a car, but share information that you have come across, I will also probably share a listing with you. It might not be the same listing that I might edit for an owner as I might get the impression that your interests are a bit different. If you have shared information about a number of other cars, not necessarily just AR6C in this case, then you might feel perfectly free to ask about one anyway and I might just agree. I try not to take all of this study too seriously. A lot can be learned gathering information a piece at a time ... with patience. It is most important that we find a way to share. I have shared the entire listing of collected data on AR6C 1500/1750 cars (more than 500 cars identified to some degree by chassis number ... which is not to say that they all exist) with only a couple of trusted insiders. You can certainly get part of it if you share but it will take a long time and a lot of shared data before I will be sure that we are on the same page as far as our concepts of what makes "history" and what kind of data is a bit "sensitive" and should be withheld (at times) from publication or general sharing out of a sense of privacy or because the information may be easily abused.

If you scroll down to posting #99, you will find a listing of cars. You will also find the data form that I use to help describe each car when I get to see one and "look up its skirt", so to speak. The form had 288 views as of February 26, 2011 when it was removed from this posting. Anybody wish to guess how many have been sent to me as a result it being posted here, in posting #19 as well as in another thread?

Update 6 March 2011:
The "latest-greatest" listing and data-form are now found under posting #99 but this posting and posting #19 continue to serve as part of the introduction to the listing.

Best regards,

John de Boer
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Alfa Romeo 6C1500 & 6C1750 & 6C1900

Perhaps I should have mentioned that my data collection, although far from complete, includes some information on almost 100 Alfa Romeo 6C1500, more than 400 Alfa Romeo 6C1750 and 21 Alfa Romeo 6C1900 ... plus some engines no longer with cars or fitted to cars other than "original". All listed by chassis number and with varying amounts of historical data or leads to more that can be collected. Unidentifed leads? Many. Very many.

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Perhaps I should have mentioned that my data collection, although far from complete, includes some information on almost 100 Alfa Romeo 6C1500, more than 400 Alfa Romeo 6C1750 and 21 Alfa Romeo 6C1900 ... plus some engines no longer with cars or fitted to cars other than "original". All listed by chassis number and with varying amounts of historical data or leads to more that can be collected. Unidentifed leads? Many. Very many.

John de Boer
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Luigi Fusi & Roy Slater's 1968 6C1750 Alfa Romeo (out of print) has a list of "Existing Cars" which shows primarily at the time English registered serial #, engine #, body builder, body type, last known owner (in 1968), location and British reg. #. There is also additional info & history available on some specific cars. BTW, usually engine serial # are usually identical to chassis # and are found on the crankcase rather than the actual block
For those of us born too late to buy a copy of this book when new, is anyone able to scan the list from the Slater/Fusi book?

I for one would be very appreciative - having recently purchased an almost complete run of English Motor Sport magazines dating back to 1931 I have come across many, many references to English registered 6Cs but would really appreciate a list to help identify cars by serial number. Most of these ads have been referenced by licence plate only so far.

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'6C1750' by Fusi & Salter is still for sale

For those of us born too late to buy a copy of this book when new, is anyone able to scan the list from the Slater/Fusi book?

I for one would be very appreciative - having recently purchased an almost complete run of English Motor Sport magazines dating back to 1931 I have come across many, many references to English registered 6Cs but would really appreciate a list to help identify cars by serial number. Most of these ads have been referenced by licence plate only so far.

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Damien

Hello Damien,

The book '6C1750' By Fusi & Slater is still for sale. Try the link.
AbeBooks: Search Results - Roy Slater and 6C1750

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Perhaps I should have mentioned that my data collection, although far from complete, includes some information on almost 100 Alfa Romeo 6C1500, more than 400 Alfa Romeo 6C1750 and 21 Alfa Romeo 6C1900 ... plus some engines no longer with cars or fitted to cars other than "original". All listed by chassis number and with varying amounts of historical data or leads to more that can be collected. Unidentifed leads? Many. Very many.

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry

John:

I am aware you and Angela are both trying to keep track of information on the pre-war cars and thank you for your efforts. My point was that there is no official register (as far as I'm aware of), and no one doing any kind of newsletter on pre-war cars. Even with post war cars, it seems that various registers are slowly dieing. The 1900 register and the 102/106 register is nowhere near as active as it was some 10-15 years ago. Even the giulietta register isn't done as frequently as before. Mal Harris did a 4 time a year 6c2300/2500 register, but hasn't done an issue in over 5 years. There is an International 6c2300/2500 register, but I have no idea if they are publishing anything or not.
 

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Fusi/Slater

With thanks to Gordon Barrett for the reminder a couple of months ago ... If you are looking for specific chassis number information, the Italian edition was evidently published later in 1968? At a minimum, it was prepared using information from a later chassis data collection effort and the listing is both a bit more comprehensive and there are updates and corrections from the listing published in the English language edition. Still, it is 40 year-old information.

Damien, I have also made lists of plates seen in Motor Sport. Haven't identified all of them yet but some are known. If you have gathered a few registration plates, please list them here and I will identify them as much as I can.

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Alfa Romeo 6C listing - Series 1, Series 2, Series 3

Here is a listing about the early series cars for which I have collected some scrap of information. Sometimes it is considerably more than a scrap and sometimes not much at all. In this listing, you are getting to see only a bit more than a scrap about each car. Some might agree that it is the most important part ... if the listing can become more complete, definitive and certain as to the nature of the data presented. Each car has potentially important lessons for those of us who want to know more about the cars in general and about certain cars specifically. WARNING! There are very likely to be some entries that are a bit misleading. I am correcting errors all the time. This presentation is not intended to be any kind of "gospel" whatsoever. It is merely a collection of observations ... and not all of the observations are mine and some of mine might even be flawed!

Also attached, a revised form that I use for collecting data from each car individually. I always learn more by seeing a car in person, but sometimes just a bit of specific data can also be informative, particularly if it is accompanied by photos. Please share something ... anything(!), about a car that you own ... or know ... or have known.

If something meaningful is shared as a result of posting here, I will take the time to prepare similar listings for the later cars as well. If not ... you'll simply have to wait for my next book ... which is always in the works. I just can't tell you when it will appear. Yet.

Updates as of 2/26//2011:
I have just heard from the current owner of 0312953 who assures me that the engine size is 1750cc and that the engine in the car is the original engine so the master listing has been updated to reflect this knowledge.

I have removed the "info form" from an earlier posting and am leaving it here where you can still see it below as an attachment. The attachment had 288 viewings when removed from that earlier posting while this one had 198 viewings at the same time. Presumably, there was some overlap in the views so I rather doubt there had been 486 separate viewers at the time. The overview document (dated 2008-08-26) has had 684 viewings at this time.

Update 5 March 2011:
The Alfa Romeo 6C listing has been revised and is now posted in #99. It had seen 693 viewings as of midnight PST beginning 6 March, 2011

The data-collection form has also been moved to posting #99. It had seen 201 viewings at this same time.

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G'day John,

Sorry for the belated response - I've been traveling around a lot over the past few months and have just relocated to sunny California from wintry Sydney for an extended visit. Just got back from my first trip to Monterey - what an incredible experience, complete overload for any car enthusiast...some glorious Alfas of course, my favourite moment was seeing John Mozart's black 8C2300 on the road after we left The Quail.

Sadly, my collection of Motor Sport magazines is now many thousands of kilometres away, so I'm relying on notes stored on a laptop. I thought the most useful thing would be to list all the UK-plated 6C 1500, 1750 & 1900s (including those I've already identified chassis numbers for) and have others try to fill in the blanks, not just those found in the pages of Motor Sport. I'm sure there are many others - any help with identifying old photos would be appreciated.

To start with, here's the 6C 1500s.

0111.200 6C 1500 UV 3575
0111.578 6C 1500 UL 7580
0111.638 6C 1500 UX 3920
0111.653 6C 1500 FO 8225
0111.690 6C 1500 PN 3342
0211.484 6C 1500 PG 602
0211.501 6C 1500 GC 5870 (also GH 8878)
0312.871 6C 1500 UV 818
0312.872 6C 1500 UV 819
0312.873 6C 1500 GU 9699
0312.874 6C 1500 GU 8733
851.3027 6C 1500 GH 1557
????????? 6C 1500 HOU 267 (advertised by D.White in MS 5/54)
????????? 6C 1500 RD 92 (advertised by Dan Margulies in MS 6/79)
????????? 6C 1500 YX 3647 (pictured in Roy Bacon's book Alfa in Pictures)

Regards,
Damien
 
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