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Boy I hate to jump in here since I was in there stirring the pot on Van's thread. But never one for letting common sense get in the way...

I started posting in a somewhat good natured way about Van's style decisions and politely suggesting that he tone down the attitude. When the attitude got out of control I found myself lowered to that level and I am not proud of that. I will state my position thusly:

1) I am not opposed to modifying Alfas. Some I like, some I don't. I have seen some really tastefully done conversions and some absolute abortions. But I can say the EXACT same thing for "sensitive" restorations as well. If I ran the world, any modification would need to be submitted to me in writing for approval. But I don't run the world and I would rather err on the side of personal freedom.

2) I can't stand big egos, bellicose claims, belittling others' taste, and a total disregard for grammar and punctuation - even when it's me doing it...

3) I am not a fan of censorship but I am an advocate for self rule. I do not like seeing threads reduced to childish name calling and personal insults. I have gone on other forums to ask a simple question (try a computer related forum...) and if someone responds it's usually with some smart remark ala "Nick the Computer Repair Guy" skirts on SNL. It just gets tiresome, not amusing and ultimately the forum withers. It would be a huge tragedy if this forum were to fall in to that trap so I find it hard to sit by idly and see it happen.

That was my intent when I began commenting on the subject thread. But as things devolved into bad behavior on everyone's part, Papajam (as an example of what's right about this forum) stepped in as referee and told everyone to knock it off. Several of us deleted our posts and I can only speak for myself in saying that it wasn't because I changed my mind but because I felt that it wasn't helping the forum. I guess Van edited his as well - good for him. ( I suggested he delete the whole thread and start over but that's his business.) The point is that the moderator didn't have to come in and clean house. We should be mature enough to do this ourselves...
 

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We should be mature enough to do this ourselves...
Well said and sounds right on to me. Unfortunately there are other threads going on now that are close to crossing the line and I hope they are cleaned up in the same manner this one apparently was. One sided censorship, done quietly from behind the curtain, is also the reason I no longer "subscribe", unless it is fairly applied, and I do think the attempt here is genuine, and may yet be attained. The vast majority of people here are well educated, honest and fair.
 

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Bad Thread Needs Deleting

...( I suggested he delete the whole thread and start over but that's his business.) The point is that the moderator didn't have to come in and clean house. We should be mature enough to do this ourselves...
Just as a matter of clarification, AFAIK, once a thread has been established even the thread starter cannot delete it mainly because that would allow deletion or editing of others posts, which is the privilege reserved for moderators and the bb owner. It is my understanding from others that even if the thread has no responses it cannot be deleted unless done immediately, like within the time it would take to edit a post before the time-out occurs.

I agree we should all be mature enough to monitor ourselves and our posts; however, what normally occurs in a heated thread is that if one person edits their post they need the help of others to do the same or the thread no longer makes sense or one person ends up looking like they were off in la-la land or worse. When the moderator edits he tries to maintain the integrity of the thread and the information while removing the objectionable comments or abusive verbiage.

I am not a proponent of censorship but in some cases there is simply no other choice in a public forum when you cannot get agreement from all parties involved to edit their posts and to lower the threshold. As I've indicated previously, Simon has always had my permission to edit, delete, change, etc. any of my posts as he feels appropriate to the discussion and the general welfare of the bb.
 

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... Simon has always had my permission to edit, delete, change, etc. any of my posts as he feels appropriate to the discussion and the general welfare of the bb.
Agree, and he should simply delete engine conversion threads/posts when they are started ... then we would never have this drama in the first place.

Some sites do it, when somebody wants to stick a Chev in a Jaguar XJ6 ... immediately the thread is deleted. Just like if somebody posts a pornographic thread ... stops the arguing straight away whether somebody likes conversions or not (or pornography or not).

As with pornography there are plenty of hot rod sites ...
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Agree, and he should simply delete engine conversion threads/posts when they are started ... then we would never have this drama in the first place.

Some sites do it, when somebody wants to stick a Chev in a Jaguar XJ6 ... immediately the thread is deleted.....
Ridiculous! Maybe we can have the Ayatollah censor all the threads! How about we 'delete' any thread that contains a BLUE Alfa??? I thought this was America...

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Ridiculous! Maybe we can have the Ayatollah censor all the threads! How about we 'delete' any thread that contains a BLUE Alfa??? I thought this was America...

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BTW: I don't live in America. Actually quite a few of the world don't ;). BTW: I have visited a couple of times :). Good trips, thanks.

Ridiculous to you maybe, but if Simon did this we would not have this debate happening ... would have been sorted before it even started.

Oh and we already have censorship on this site ...
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BTW: I don't live in America. Actually quite a few of the world don't ;). BTW: I have visited a couple of times :). Good trips, thanks.

Ridiculous to you maybe, but if Simon did this we would not have this debate happening ... would have been sorted before it even started.

Oh and we already have censorship on this site ...
Pete
What's the harm in having a debate??? I don't agree w/the guy that started the 'engine-swap thread', but he has as much right as any of us to write about it. I didn't get to see the 'offensive content' in his thread because it was censoredbefore I got to read it! IMO we'll never learn anything w/censorship! I think we're all mature enough to deal w/what might be labeled as 'offensive' or abusive. Just don't delete something because it's the opposite of your view!

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Agree, and he should simply delete engine conversion threads/posts when they are started ... then we would never have this drama in the first place.
I suppose then that your signature line, "Remember it's all just opinions", means that everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it agrees with yours?

I thought not.

One could avoid the drama in the first place if those of one opinion would simply accept and respect those with a differing opinion.
 

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I suppose then that your signature line, "Remember it's all just opinions", means that everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it agrees with yours?

I thought not.

One could avoid the drama in the first place if those of one opinion would simply accept and respect those with a differing opinion.
Amen!

bs (comments added in parens because simply saying 'Amen!' resulted in a post that was too short...)
 

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And for big fires, the Forestry Department uses shovels to bury it, and sets backfires to stop it in its tracks.

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I suppose then that your signature line, "Remember it's all just opinions", means that everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it agrees with yours?

I thought not.

One could avoid the drama in the first place if those of one opinion would simply accept and respect those with a differing opinion.
Yes Jim good point.

I'm just worried at the future direction of this site (and the cars that are being sacrificed). I'll shut up now :).
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I don't think the thread should be deleted. Maybe the author's purpose on this site is to serve as a warning to others?

I'm getting the feeling I am one of "the haters" from Van's thread. Whatever. I tried, as did at least one other, to make him realise his cage design was dangerous. I even defended his right to do to his car as he pleases. I felt laughed at. He is adamant his cage is safe, we don't know what gauge of steel he used, see. Besides, it's not a track car so safety is not really an issue. Meanwhile, the pat-on-the-back batalion is busy. -Good job son, shame some don't appreciate workmanship.

While I do think it's "wrong" what he is doing to his former Alfa Romeo, I don't care about Van or his car. What worries me is he is going to hurt someone innocent, the girl he takes for a ride, the friend who just can't resist that offer for a test drive. Or that kid who doesn't know what he's buying. Wasn't that feat something you were bragging about Van?
 

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I am the biggest originality nerd but this thread makes me want to drop a Chrysler V8 midship in the Junior Z and call it a Montejunior Hai. Your taste, your money, your car.

Guys and Gals, time to move on to more important things and stop this thread.
 
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