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All four motor mounts on my 92 S2 need to be replaced. Belt is wearing on the leading edge from hitting the sway bar. Estimate from a shop in NC that doesn't specialize in Alfa's was $750. Does this sound reasonable?
 

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4??? I thought there were only two the same as the S2? No more than a few hours to change both.... the mounts cost £30 each..[

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All four motor mounts on my 92 S2 need to be replaced. Belt is wearing on the leading edge from hitting the sway bar. Estimate from a shop in NC that doesn't specialize in Alfa's was $750. Does this sound reasonable?
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I assume you mean S4? - all four mounts? - two engine mounts and two gearbox mounts
 

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S4 has, like any nord, 2 engine mounts and 1 gearbox mount.

what is his hourly rate?
Sounds a bit steep, but if he does not know alfas it might frustrate him, there are little tricks here and there to make it slightly easier/quicker.
Having done it myself, I would gladly pay someone 500 bucks, looking back at it all.

It is a lot of work, it took me - I hired a workshop with a professional 4 poster drive on lift and a centre hydraulic sliding lift attachment to raise the engine - about 4 hours first time (just engine mounts)
the driver's side is easy, the passenger side is a pita, but can be done from under the car without removing the plenum.

For a professional alfa workshop I'd say 3 hours in all.
(the 3 mounts cost together about 100 bucks at Centerline alfa)
 

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An Alfa specialist in Colorado Springs charged me for 3 hours plus parts to change the right side engine mount on a '78 spider. It always seems easier when someone else is doing it. Once you get into the job there's always the snags that soak up the time.
 

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Shop rates are not cheap. If you want to play you got to pay unless you do it yourself and who wants to do engine and trans mounts themselves on an alfa spider anyway. I know that I would prefer not to.
 

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I've heard that the Series 4 Spiders are especially troublesome to replace the motor mounts. I'm afraid I don't remember why but I do remember a friend who had replaced dozens of mounts in other Alfas with no problem saying that he hoped he never had to do it on his Series 4 again. He had ramps but no lift that I'm aware of. $750 does seem high though.
 

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Intake side on Bosch cars can be tough. Trans mount can be tough too depending on how firmly it's in place. Parts are over $100. I would think 4-5 hours if thing go right. So highish but not outrageous?
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Sounds steep to me. I would get the 2 motor mounts done for now to solve your belt rubbing issue.
I can usually do those in about 2 hours. Injection side is a pain compared to the exhaust side but with the right tools to wiggle your way to the mount on the injection side, it is not too hard.
The gearbox mount can be more of a problem if the person doing it does not have experience and the tools.
If your shifter is not hitting on anything due to the sagging mount, it could wait a bit longer.
JMHO

Good luck
 

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Even by an experienced Alfa shop, 3 hours is optimistic. A dealership tech, used to doing one or two sets per week, with the special tools needed for the trans mount bushing sitting in the top drawer of his tool box, and a good floor lift..... maybe. But those days are largely gone.

Access under the hood of an S4 is more obscured than the earlier models. I can be wrenching on the passenger side mount of my S2 within 3 minutes of starting the job. Bosch cars, nope.

So... a modern, well equipped, competent shop....

4 - 5 hours. A smart shop would resist quoting a flat rate, as a nearly 30 year-old car can present surprises. Rusted bolts, stripped threads, etc.

5 hours X $120/hour = $600 + $100 parts =$700.

Shop rates seem to run between $80/hr - $120/hr. The higher priced shops often appear to be the busiest, probably because word of mouth describes prompt, good quality work.
 

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I assume you mean S4? - all four mounts? - two engine mounts and two gearbox mounts
Yes. Typo. It's an S4. Since the manual tranny was just replaced I'm assumgint that the engine mounts are the ones that need to be replaced. Not being familiar with this engine I just assumed that there were four.
 

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Even by an experienced Alfa shop, 3 hours is optimistic. A dealership tech, used to doing one or two sets per week, with the special tools needed for the trans mount bushing sitting in the top drawer of his tool box, and a good floor lift..... maybe. But those days are largely gone.

Access under the hood of an S4 is more obscured than the earlier models. I can be wrenching on the passenger side mount of my S2 within 3 minutes of starting the job. Bosch cars, nope.

So... a modern, well equipped, competent shop....

4 - 5 hours. A smart shop would resist quoting a flat rate, as a nearly 30 year-old car can present surprises. Rusted bolts, stripped threads, etc.

5 hours X $120/hour = $600 + $100 parts =$700.

Shop rates seem to run between $80/hr - $120/hr. The higher priced shops often appear to be the busiest, probably because word of mouth describes prompt, good quality work.
Thanks, Appreciate the estimate.
 

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Sounds steep to me. I would get the 2 motor mounts done for now to solve your belt rubbing issue.
I can usually do those in about 2 hours. Injection side is a pain compared to the exhaust side but with the right tools to wiggle your way to the mount on the injection side, it is not too hard.
The gearbox mount can be more of a problem if the person doing it does not have experience and the tools.
If your shifter is not hitting on anything due to the sagging mount, it could wait a bit longer.
JMHO

Good luck
Thanks for the information. I will probably take it to my Alfa specialist anyway when it comes out of storage in the spring.
I assume you mean S4? - all four mounts? - two engine mounts and two gearbox mounts
Yes. S4. Typo. And thanks.
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Yes. Typo. It's an S4. Since the manual tranny was just replaced I'm assumgint that the engine mounts are the ones that need to be replaced. Not being familiar with this engine I just assumed that there were four.
Correction. The clutch not the transmission was replaced. No indication on the work order that the transmission mounts were replaced so I am assuming that they will need to be done as well. Thanks for the help.
 

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Yes. Typo. It's an S4. Since the manual tranny was just replaced I'm assumgint that the engine mounts are the ones that need to be replaced. Not being familiar with this engine I just assumed that there were four.
Correction: It was the clutch not the transmission that was replaced. So assume that the trans mounts will need to be replaced as well.
 

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Correction: It was the clutch not the transmission that was replaced. So assume that the trans mounts will need to be replaced as well.
Well, regardless of whether the gearbox mount was replaced, your belt wear is usually due to the 2 motor mounts. Take a look under the hood on the exhaust side and you will see easy access. Replacing just that one might get the belt up enough until you can get to the injection side.
You can just unbolt it and lift the motor with a jack under the oil pan. Place a piece of wood between the jack and the pan to distribute weight.
Easy to do in under an hour.
 

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I have found it necessary to “rock” the engine from side to side to get sufficient clearance. This can require undoing the exhaust headers.
 

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From an Alfa Tech.

There are only 2 motor mounts and 1 transmission mount.

1 hour exhaust side.
Intake side Carb or Bosch car 2.5 hours.
Intake Spica 1.5 hours.

The good motor mounts 80.00 if you buy them.

A little more I f I buy the parts.

Trans mount 1 hour. plus cost of mount.

My rate is 100.00 an hour.

So thats around 600.00.

I'm in Hartwell, Ga about 2 hours from Asheville.

30 plus years working on Alfas.
 

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From an Alfa Tech.

There are only 2 motor mounts and 1 transmission mount.

1 hour exhaust side.
Intake side Carb or Bosch car 2.5 hours.
Intake Spica 1.5 hours.

The good motor mounts 80.00 if you buy them.

A little more I f I buy the parts.

Trans mount 1 hour. plus cost of mount.

My rate is 100.00 an hour.

So thats around 600.00.

I'm in Hartwell, Ga about 2 hours from Asheville.

30 plus years working on Alfas.
Come on Jim, I will charge him only 3 hours but my rate is $200 and $300 if I have to do it in the winter since I don't have a nice shop like you! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Oh, I am another 1.5 hours away and have to borrow the tools from Jim G

On a serious note, Jim G can do this and anything else Alfa related and do it well but apparently doesn't want to do tops!;)
 
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