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Hey, Mike:

Your car is gorgeous. Thanks for posting the photos. Which magazine is going to write about your car? There have actually been very few articles published about Flaminia Zagatos; none in the US that I can recall. Wait until you take a decent length trip in your car. They really have long legs. :)
 

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Hey, Mike:

Your car is gorgeous. Thanks for posting the photos. Which magazine is going to write about your car? There have actually been very few articles published about Flaminia Zagatos; none in the US that I can recall. Wait until you take a decent length trip in your car. They really have long legs. :)
Saw it Saturday--it's as good as it looks in the photos.

BTW, the cover story of the Oct 2007 issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car was on Chet Andrews' Flaminia Sport 2.8 3C.
Hemmings Motor News: Hemmings Motor News
 

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We took our Fulvia Coupe up to play in the Sierra this last weekend on the Mother Lode 400 Rally.

There were a total of 17 pre-76 cars on the rally, with a very nice mix: 5 British cars (a DB4 drophead, a big Healey, 2 Triumphs and a Mini), 6 German built autos (3 BMW 2002s, 2 Porsche 914s, and a BMW2000CS), 1 Japanese car (a built 510), and 5 Italians (a 72 Fiat Spider, AlfaSoon's 65 Giullietta Sprint, a 71 Giulia Super, a 75 Ferrari 308 GT4, and our Lancia).

The route over the two days totalled around 440 miles, and took us over 8 summits or passes over 7000' in elevation. Great scenery, great fun.

I was chuffed with how well the little 1300cc Fulvia performed in the mountains, even when climbing the 9624' Sonora Pass.

And whoever laid out the roads in the Sierras surely had a Lancia in mind when he did so.

Matt Hamilton ("AlfaSoon" on this bb) has some great pictures of the event up on his blog http://giuliettas.com/events/, and our snaps from the weekend can be found at Fulvia cam.

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Flaminia for sale

Saw this car today: 1963 Flaminia 3B Pininfarina coupé: it is for sale, and I like it.

It seems to be rust free, needs a new paint, new tires (175x400!) and some work to be running right. Leather upholstery is nice, but strong smell of mildew inside.

What am I getting into? I'm worried about spare parts...
 

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We took our Fulvia Coupe up to play in the Sierra this last weekend on the Mother Lode 400 Rally...
Shaun,

Looks like a nice event--great scenery and an interesting group of cars. Still sorry you couldn't join us in Paso Robles; some perfect Lancia roads in the wine country there, and it's truly amazing to be running in an all-Lancia 'train'.
 

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Saw this car today: 1963 Flaminia 3B Pininfarina coupé: it is for sale, and I like it.

It seems to be rust free, needs a new paint, new tires (175x400!) and some work to be running right. Leather upholstery is nice, but strong smell of mildew inside.

What am I getting into? I'm worried about spare parts...
They're well-engineered and very well built cars, and should be generally reliable if they've been maintained. This past weekend, a Flaminia berlina drove up from Orange County to Paso Robles for the ALC West Coast Reunion, did a full morning's touring the next day, and then drove back down the day after--about 700 miles in 3 days, without missing a beat. It was easily running at 80 on the open road, as I can attest, having followed it most of the way up and back. I followed it through some twisting canyons, too, and even on skinny tires the roadholding defies the laws of physics. And that was a 4-door berlina--even larger than the PF coupe you're looking at.

As far as spares are concerned, it all depends on what it needs. If it needs a lot of body or trim parts (doesn't look like it from the photo), that could be an issue, but most mechanical parts should be available either in the US or the UK.
 

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Saw this car today: 1963 Flaminia 3B Pininfarina coupé: it is for sale, and I like it.

It seems to be rust free, needs a new paint, new tires (175x400!) and some work to be running right. Leather upholstery is nice, but strong smell of mildew inside.

What am I getting into? I'm worried about spare parts...
This looks like a great car and well worth what it appears it will take to make it nice. The Pininfarina coupes personify the restrained elegance of many of the great cars of the period. Owning one of these can be a great pleasure. They are enjoyable road cars and, like all Lancias in period, are well able to keep up with modern traffic.

A word of warning if you are serious about this car. Flaminia motors have a tendency toward stuck lifters if they've been sitting around for long. So, if it's been sitting, don't try to start it without freeing up the lifters or you could very well end up with bent pushrods (ask me how I know :)). Take the valve covers off and tap each pushrod with a plastic mallet before you turn the motor over. If the owner doesn't know about this, he will be amazed and you will get a better price. :)
 

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Flams do seem to defy the laws of physics sometimes. I was driving my berlina (might have even been the same car, since it was sold West. Was it grey and white?) back from Armand's picnic and forgot about a fairly sharp curve until I was already in it. I still can't believe the car just went through with lots of tire squeal and body roll but no other drama; just about any other (non-Lancia) car would have been off the road. It was running 165 tires, too. They are still reasonable; I don't even want to think what 175's cost now. The cars are very reliable and generally understressed.
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Shaun,

Looks like a nice event--great scenery and an interesting group of cars. Still sorry you couldn't join us in Paso Robles; some perfect Lancia roads in the wine country there, and it's truly amazing to be running in an all-Lancia 'train'.
Ed, I'm very sorry to have missed the ALC event in Paso Robles. I know how nice the roads down there are and it would have been interesting to be in convoy with a gaggle (herd? exaltation? pride? what's the right collective noun?) of Lancias.

The closest I've come was last March, when Peter Cripps and Jeff Barhoum brought their Fulvias along to the Shamrock Rally. People this last weekend were still talking about that.

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Flams do seem to defy the laws of physics sometimes. I was driving my berlina (might have even been the same car, since it was sold West. Was it grey and white?) back from Armand's picnic and forgot about a fairly sharp curve until I was already in it. I still can't believe the car just went through with lots of tire squeal and body roll but no other drama; just about any other (non-Lancia) car would have been off the road. It was running 165 tires, too. They are still reasonable; I don't even want to think what 175's cost now. The cars are very reliable and generally understressed.
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Hi Mike,
Your name came up in conversation more than once, but Cory's Flam berlina is blu Lancia, which seems to be its original color--I don't think it's the same car.

The berlina is way too big for me--even the Flam PF coupe is a large car--but they're very impressive. I mean, how can you not like a car with 2 rear window wipers and 2 inside rear window wipers, as well as remote vacuum-actuated rear vent windows?

Ed, I'm very sorry to have missed the ALC event in Paso Robles. I know how nice the roads down there are and it would have been interesting to be in convoy with a gaggle (herd? exaltation? pride? what's the right collective noun?) of Lancias.

The closest I've come was last March, when Peter Cripps and Jeff Barhoum brought their Fulvias along to the Shamrock Rally. People this last weekend were still talking about that.
Shaun,
As you can see from the shots on the other thread, we had 6 Fulvias: my S1 1.6HF, three S2 1.3 coupes (including a Montecarlo), an S1 Sport, and an S2 Sport 1600. An S1 1.3 coupe like yours would have made virtually a complete set. That would have been a sight.
 

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A word of warning if you are serious about this car. Flaminia motors have a tendency toward stuck lifters if they've been sitting around for long. So, if it's been sitting, don't try to start it without freeing up the lifters or you could very well end up with bent pushrods (ask me how I know :)). Take the valve covers off and tap each pushrod with a plastic mallet before you turn the motor over. If the owner doesn't know about this, he will be amazed and you will get a better price. :)
Ummm. The owner did start it, with a strange clicking noise. It would idle, but not rev. It sounded strange... like it had an exhaust leak, but didn't. Bent pushrod(s) already?

The price on this complete, "almost running" PF coupe is $15,000... isn't that a little high?
 

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Well, I don't know the American market that well but that is way too high compared to Europe and the UK. Very good coupes (older restorations, very good original cars) are about $25,000. Cars requiring work are about $7,500.

Compared to Fulvias they are very complicated cars, and restoration costs of the engine, gearbox/final drive and rear suspension can get ferociously expensive (particularly when compared to the value of the car). Given that you describe a "you need to spend some money on the engine" noise I think half of what he is asking would be generous.

The $10k difference between what he is asking and good cars would buy you a set of pistons, rings, pins and liners with maybe change for the gaskets and balancing. If however it is just the exhaust then it begins to look like a $10,000 car I guess, but you need to be very sure.

They are "tool room" cars with all that that entails. Looked after they are a delight and will last and last. Abused they will be a money pit that requires quite specialised attention to bring back on line.
 

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Ummm. The owner did start it, with a strange clicking noise. It would idle, but not rev. It sounded strange... like it had an exhaust leak, but didn't. Bent pushrod(s) already?

The price on this complete, "almost running" PF coupe is $15,000... isn't that a little high?

One thing to consider, Yves, is that you have found one of only a handful of these coupes in the entirity of N. America---most were sold and are still in Europe where there is an avid following. Lancia conocenti are much more rare (and infinitely more sensitive, sophisticated, and tasteful individuals because of it :)) on this side of the Atlantic than in Europe. So, you are dealing with a car that isn't on most people's "car radar". The guy wants to sell the car. Offer him $7K cash, politely tell him that's all the car is worth to you, and have the money in your pocket. You'd be surprised how stacking up $100 bills in front of someone can become a motivating factor in a sale. (Yes, I know that's rather crass but, what can I say, I'm from Texas after all. :))

Another very important factor in these kinds of deals involves determining how much you're going to have to pay to make the car right. If you have a lot of disposable income to throw at the project, then there are some pretty good shops that'll do a good job getting the car ready, but it probably won't be cheap. On the other hand, if you know how to fix cars, enjoy working on them, then this may be a very attractive car to buy. I usually try to discourage people who like cars but don't have lots of money and can't work on them from buying something like this.

Plan on some engine work, probably a complete overhaul (V-6 Lancias are very "Italian" and easy to work on BTW). Also, Flaminia brakes and transaxels are quite complex with lots of odds and ends that are uniquely Lancia---expect to fix these, too. If you can do the work yourself, you'll find that Lancias with their engineering oriented build quality are a delight to take apart and fix. And, once fixed, you can expect to enjoy driving the car for many years afterward. They're very reliable and very robust cars.
 

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Jim and others are right on. These cars are marvelous once set up. However, if you cannot do most of the work yourself, it will require a substantial amount of money to do it right.

All mechanical elements are complex and require somebody who really kows these cars. The expert in the US on Flaminias is in SoCal (Tony Nicosia). Spares are available and contacts do exist in the US but sometimes it takes time to source them. If you need to address body work it gets even more expensive.

I have just "refreshed" the mechanical components for a Flaminia that was stored for the last 15 years (Mostly limited to the engine, no break work (Complex), no transmission work (Even more complex)) - not a rebuild at all. Let me just say that cost significantly more than the asking price for the car.

Very lovely cars.

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Ummm. The owner did start it, with a strange clicking noise. It would idle, but not rev. It sounded strange... like it had an exhaust leak, but didn't. Bent pushrod(s) already?

The price on this complete, "almost running" PF coupe is $15,000... isn't that a little high?
which PF COUPE IS $15,000.00 IS LITTLE HIGH? FLAVIA, FLAMINIA,
 

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which PF COUPE IS $15,000.00 IS LITTLE HIGH? FLAVIA, FLAMINIA,
Adan, they're talking about a Flaminia PF coupe, probably #4 condition.

Ummm. The owner did start it, with a strange clicking noise. It would idle, but not rev. It sounded strange... like it had an exhaust leak, but didn't. Bent pushrod(s) already?

The price on this complete, "almost running" PF coupe is $15,000... isn't that a little high?
If the car ran fine, the asking price wouldn't be way out of line--maybe high by about $2k. As it is, it sounds as though the pushrods may already have been bent, which makes Jim's suggestion a good one. In fact you should use the pushrod information as a negotiating point, based on the fact that it won't rev, that's likely the reason, and you need to have the engine worked on immediately.

Jim's right that the car isn't common, but he's slightly underestimating how many Flam PF coupes there are on this side of the ocean--there are at least a dozen...
 

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Jim's right that the car isn't common, but he's slightly underestimating how many Flam PF coupes there are on this side of the ocean--there are at least a dozen...

I stand corrected; there are a few more than I thought. What is so interesting to me about the numbers of real Lancias of all kinds that keep turning up is that these cars were both very expensive and esorteric when they were sold new and, yet, some respectable numbers were sold here in the States.

Do you know how many Flaminia Zagatos were sold here?
 

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Jim,

Sorry; I was being a bit facetious–even a whole dozen isn’t very many. I don't know how many Flaminia Sports were sold here, but I have some idea how many are here now–I know of about 18 total for all three series, including Mike’s, and there are undoubtedly a few I don't know of.
 

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Flaminia

Thanks everybody. You confirm what I expected: this car is a gamble. I cannot afford the risk at the price asked, and the owner is very rigid about $15K. He claims to have two other interested parties, one being a local Aurelia owner (there are two B20GT's around), the other one being from out of town. I didn't mention it, but the car was acquired from the president of the American Lancia Club in the 90's.

I would LOVE to work on this car, its intricate design is one of the very features that makes it attractive to me.

BTW there used to be a basket case Flaminia Zagato in Quebec. Is it accounted for?
 

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Two Fulvias on the 2008 California Melee

Last weekend Jeff Barhoum and I upheld Lancia 's honor by running our Fulvias in the 2008 California Melee. This is an 800+ mile tour for pre-76 cars, run primarily on back roads in Northern California.

This year, there were ~55 cars participating, including a 65 AC Cobra 289, two Alfa Sprint Speciales, assorted 911s and 356s, Sunbeam Tigers, and a wide & interesting variety of other sporting machinery.

The Fulvia is a superb car for an event like this. It handles on bad roads much better (IMHO) than a lot of higher horsepower'd vehicles, which allowed us to keep up -- and sometimes surprise -- the others. And it's comfortable enough that I could still walk at the end of a long day.

The snapshots my spouse and I took over the three days are up at:

Fulvia cam

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