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Just was on youtube tonight, and found some good clips, love that plane, and the sound! Next to the p-51, its one of the most beautiful birds of WW2



And of coarse some P-51's
I was lucky enough to get a ride in one! One of the few motors that sounds better then an alfa v-6!

 

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Yep. Gotta love those old war birds. Nothing sounds sweeter than a round engined war bird. What's really sweet is going to the air races. Now that's an awesome sound.
 

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The Corsair and P47 were the coolest round engined war-birds. Built more than one model of each in my youth.

The V-12's were great too: P-51, Spitfire, P-40.

My all time favorite war-bird was the twin engined P-38. I believe that they arrived late in WW2, and had handling issues at first--later corrected. By then I think the war was just about over.
 

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The Corsair and P47 were the coolest round engined war-birds. Built more than one model of each in my youth.

The V-12's were great too: P-51, Spitfire, P-40.

My all time favorite war-bird was the twin engined P-38. I believe that they arrived late in WW2, and had handling issues at first--later corrected. By then I think the war was just about over.
If I remember correctly, they were developed relatively early in the war- Lockheed was actually developing the prototypes before the war started, I believe. It was very fast and pretty manueverable for it's day, but I think had a very serious flaw in diving- I forget the details, but it seemed to go in some kind of uncontrolled oscillations in a powerdive- not a good thing in a dogfight! This kept it out of the combat theaters until they figured it out and corrected the problem, hence a much later entry into the war than it might have otherwise had. I'm sure there are some pilots out there on the BB that have more acurate info on this magnificent fighter. I agree, it is a beautiful airplane and one of my alltime favorite warbirds- I always imagined flying one when I was a kid!:D
 

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P-38's rule!! I built several models of them when a kid, as well as several P-51's. My Dad was an aircraft mechanic and would bring the family to see cool war birds when they came through. Though I loved the P-38 best, the sound of the Mustang blew me away!! I loved airshows and low fly-overs. Kinda like Alfas and Rock and Roll combined.
 

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Sorry I got off topic there with the P-38s! The P-51 did prove to be the most outstanding fighter of it's day, especially after dumping the Allison and going with the Merlin- what a great engine! And the Corsair was one of the greatest carrier based prop fighters ever, even if the Hellcat had wider carrier use and success- interesting that the P-51, F-4U and the P-38 all had serious growing pains before hitting their stride. I think the P-47 was just so tough from the gitgo that it avoided the issues the other fighters went through, another outstanding fighter/bomber. All that said, although the P-38 was my favorite fighter of WW2, I've always thought the Supermarine Spitfire was the most beautiful design ever for a prop driven fighter- just sheer elegance, IMHO :D
 

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I am acquinted with a Medal of Honor winner who flew F4U-s in WWII. He said it was an incredible flying machine as attested by his skills in shooting down over 15 planes. He was an ace on his first flight. Here is a link to his story. Jim Swett

I used to drive into Los Angeles every day in the 70's. Out near the Magic Mountain amusement park used to be a private airfield along side Highway 126. This is where they shot the television show about the Black Sheep Squadron. There were 3 or 4 F4U's parked on the ramp they used in filming the series. Wonderful looking machines even sitting still.
 

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F4Us are sweet. I'm really bummed out that the "Super Corsair" burned and crashed at the Phoenix 500 air races back in the '90s (I think there is a You tube video of the crash). Anything with a P&W R4360 is cool, a F4U is about as cool as it gets. There are a few Goodyear FD1Gs out there, but none are as fast as the Super Corsair. I would love to see someone build another super corsair but take it in the direction of Rare Bear (Grumman F8F-2 Bearcat). Clean up the aerodynamics, hang a big prop and go for it.

P51s are sweet, however when it comes to racing, engine reliability seems to be a serious issue. For their often short lived life, the sound of a "Mouse" Merlin (a packard or Rolls Royce Merlin with Allison con rods and a bunch of other very specific and trick mods) is music to my ears. (And we wince when we need a rebuild. I think a Merlin rebuild is running about $100K. Ouch)

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Both the Corsair and P51 are awesome. For high altitude fighting or escort missions the P51 is superior. Down at low altitude I would rather be in a Corsair. Corsairs shot down a lot of P51s when they fought each other at low altitude in Central America.
 

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F4Us are sweet. I'm really bummed out that the "Super Corsair" burned and crashed at the Phoenix 500 air races back in the '90s (I think there is a You tube video of the crash). Anything with a P&W R4360 is cool, a F4U is about as cool as it gets. There are a few Goodyear FD1Gs out there, but none are as fast as the Super Corsair. I would love to see someone build another super corsair but take it in the direction of Rare Bear (Grumman F8F-2 Bearcat). Clean up the aerodynamics, hang a big prop and go for it.

P51s are sweet, however when it comes to racing, engine reliability seems to be a serious issue. For their often short lived life, the sound of a "Mouse" Merlin (a packard or Rolls Royce Merlin with Allison con rods and a bunch of other very specific and trick mods) is music to my ears. (And we wince when we need a rebuild. I think a Merlin rebuild is running about $100K. Ouch)

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The loss of the Super Corsair was unfortunate. I believe that it was 1993. It blew the engine on the front streach with flames pouring out from below. The pilot did a skillful of pulling up and getting the aircraft away from the folks. Unfortunately he broke his back & a leg while bailing out.

The Super Corsair was so nose heavy that without the pilot pulling back on the stick the aircraft did an immediate vertical dive for the GM Proving Grounds. The race team had t-shirts showing a P&W 4360 engine attached to a barn. The caption read "With Enough American Horse Power Anything Can Fly". I wish that I still had the shirt.
 

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Good video--always liked the looks of the Corsair.

Somewhere I have a brief write up on the P-51 cooling system. The intake for the rad was well engineered. The depth of the duct following the scoop allows for enough expansion such that the air flow slows down enabling better heat transfer to the rad, and then in picking up the heat the flow expands, providing some thrust.----:cool:
 

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On the topic of recreating a Super Corsair, I think the hot ticket now is running a R3350. Both Rare Bear and September Fury (Hawker Sea Fury) have shown that the R3350 is the hot ticket. Both have had failures, but at the same time, the engine has been far more robust than a Merlin.
Back to the topic of the Mustang, I would really like to see Stiletto reborn. The radiator scoop deletion and the boil off system would have to be a tough combination to beat as when they were racing, the engine wasn't much more than stock if I remember correctly. With a healthy race prep merlin on such a clean airframe I think a 500+ mph average race speed could be achieved. There is one scoopless Mustang that will return to racing next year. The Galloping Ghost has been reborn with super clipped wings, a total loss boil off system and no scoop. I have a couple of pictures of Stiletto before it was returned to stock form. I am in the process of building a model of Stiletto so I have been collecting pictures of it. I'm also doing one of the Super Corsair. No I didn't take any of them. (But I do remember watching both race.)
 

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Oh man!!, I had forgotten the Corsair! The drop wing [ is that like a Stepnose??!!] was a great design. My Dad loved to see those fly over. I had a die-cast model of that and and another folding wing plane [aircraft carrier bird?].
 

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Not to hijack, but i am a sucker for the Sea Fury. Bristol Centaurus with its 18 cylinders of radial power sound almost as good as the Merlin V12. Hoot Gibson's Riff Raff is usually at Oshkosh every year, definitely my dream plane!
 

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Of the operational, repeat operational, planes at the end of the War in 1945 I believe the Sea Fury had the fastest speed in level flight.
 

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I think you are right

Of the operational, repeat operational, planes at the end of the War in 1945 I believe the Sea Fury had the fastest speed in level flight.
The seafury was the pinnacle of performance for prop driven aircraft after years of experience developing other fighters. If anyone is near Hollister CA airport I highly advise that you go there, they have several p-51's and a seafury as well as some other neat aircraft. My dad is close friends with the person who owns the "Ridge Runner" P-51. I had the privilege to be able to fly in this plane in formation with another P-51 on the 4th of July many years ago, man what a flight! If anyone is interested in getting a flight in a P-51 he does offer them, or as they call them "tuna's", PM me if you are interested, have to let you know, they are not cheap!
 
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