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Hi guys - I bought that 1972 Berlina that was on Bring A Trailer recently. She looks very solid and original, and am not planning on going crazy with her, but am curious about alloy wheel options. She needs new tires etc now anyway...

Is there any specific wheel that you would recommend here? Want to make sure that anything I out on her won't rub, and am not looking to "slam" her or anything like that. Just looking for ideas on reducing unsprung weight and keeping a period aesthetic.

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There are a couple period alloys from Alfa. The "Turbina" was a factory option on Spiders, GTVs, Berlinas, in 5.5 x 14. Has a bunch of thin vanes that look like a, guess what, turbine. They're cheap and relatively plentiful.
"Daytona" five-star mags were period Cromodora options, usually 6 x 14. They are more pricey and more classy looking. A cheaper variation is the "Bosch Spider" wheel that looks like a Daytona with an extra inner circular ring. They're much cheaper and pretty common.
Finally, you can get repro GTA mag wheels in a variety of sizes.
In non-Alfa wheels, there are Panasports and many others.
Daytonas and GTA wheels you can get from International or Centerline. Turbinas and Bosch Spider wheels you can find here, craigslist, ebay.
In this group, first is GTA wheel on a GTA
Second is Daytona on a 74 Spider
Third Turbina on a 72 Berlina
Fourth Bosch Spider wheel on a GTV
 

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These are on Supers, not Berlinas, but here are Momo Vegas:



And my car with BWA Sportstars:


Both were common period alloys. The Momos are available as repros from some of the UK vendors; depending on the exchange rate they can be a pretty good deal. BWAs are only available used, as far as I know. I had mine powdercoated silver.

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I am not a fan of Turbinas on Spiders or GTVs, but I think they look good on Berlinas, especially ones without side molding. The "busy" Turbina style I think is a nice contrast to the slab-sided Berlina style. And Turbinas can be dirt cheap. There are two makes (Cromodora, Campagnola), various minor style differences, and many of them are quite corroded by now, so look at them carefully.
The beige cava Berlina, ivory Spider, and maroon GTV pictured above are/were mine.

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For the ultimate in otre-kuhl, no matter what wheels you get, paint them yellow. These are my track Bosch Spider wheels, now moved to my green Super, making it look like a Team Lotus car circa 1964.
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Oh, and for the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster don't curse that nice car with Turbinas.

-Jason
EXCUSE ME, why not put the lightest wheels on the heaviest car from the stable ?

My T's are just fine and other than a real pain to clean, are wonderful Mag wheels.

(Of course that's my opinion, just like your inane comment was yours...;) )
 

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If you go for Bosch Spider wheels, there are two makes, Campy (light) and FPS (heavy), about four lbs different. Thanks to the late Russ Neely for that info.
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EXCUSE ME, why not put the lightest wheels on the heaviest car from the stable ?

My T's are just fine and other than a real pain to clean, are wonderful Mag wheels.

(Of course that's my opinion, just like your inane comment was yours...;) )
If you like 'em more power to you - nobody else does. :p I've actually proven that you can't give them away - I tried when I did my last move, and eventually ended up taking them to the landfill. :eek:

Back to the original point, there aren't a lot of options for aftermarket wheels on 105 / 115 cars in general, and even fewer for the sedans. Berlinas and Supers require more offset then GTVs and Spiders, so if you took say a Panasport from a Spider it would probably foul the wheel well. The Sportstars on my car have just barely enough clearance. OEM wheels like the 5-star Daytona style or (shudder) Turbinas are typically OK, but if you go aftermarket you'll want to confirm that they are the right offset for a Berlina. The UK Vendors usually have sedan specific options, and Paul Spruell is probably the best source for Panasports in the right offset.

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My Berlina experience is on a stock offset wheel, 195 is about as wide as you can go at the rear without getting rubbing on the outside. I had 205/60-14s on 6" BWAs on the back and they rubbed under cornering. Nonstock offset might be a different story; you need to move the rears inward to go wider. The more you lower the car, the easier the tires will rub on the back.

In front there's a lot more room.

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There are lots of more modern wheels for FWD cars that fit the Berlina, they come with offsets that fit straight on the back and need small spacers on the front. I have a set of 15x7 aftermarket wheels for an Audi that fit my slightly lowered Berlina perfectly, these wheels are of course very cheap, some suit the Berlina, some don't, its a matter of personal opinion, in my personal opinion Berlina's are much more adaptable to different styles of wheel than the GTV which is very picky. Just don't put on wheels with three spokes etc.
 

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I agree nice clean Berlina you have found there. I had BWAs (not the sportstars) as per Jarrington's but another style which look like Rials/BBS wheels. They have a painted centre with polished alloy rim. I am not sure what they are called. They looked great on my White 2L when I had it.

I used to have Turbinas on both my Alfettas (GT and Sedan) and they were such a pain to keep clean. I don't wish to offend anyone who likes them but I found them to be a little dull in comparison to some other wheel designs. Beauty of course being in the eye of the beholder though.:)

Andrew is right though don't go beyond 195s as they will rub, that is unless you modify the inner wheel arch. My BWAs (still have them though not the Berlina any more) are 14x6. I also had lowered, stiffer springs and Konis all around. All of these minor changes certainly made it a fun car to drive both on and off the track.
 

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period alloy wheels were not all the same quality , i would ONLY recommend Campagnolo (in any design style there were many but most except turbinas (millerighe ) are hard to find ..)and cromodora , which at the time were THE only two brands officially sold and offered OFFICIALLY by alfa In ITALIAN dealerships at the time .
period BWA and momo wheels often , very often ,had balancing issues as a result of poor craftsmanship , only in the late 80s and early 90's did bwa and momo clean up their act and emerged as a quality wheel , alfa then used bwa as a manufacturer for their 75 , milano and 33 wheels along with fps .
Fps was aslo a contemporary wheel manufacturer and was good quality at the time , definitely better than momo or early bwa . fps made 2 very nice style wheels for the giulia range both being remniscent of the lamborghini miura wheels one almost identical and the other had less pronounced openings , and form a distance resembled slightly a gta wheel .
Alfa knew their stuff , there was the same difference from a campagnolo wheel (in craftsmanship and quality ) with a bwa or momo as there may have been here in the us in the 80's from a bbs and a cheap keystone wheel .
this is my input to you .
also campagnolo and cromodora where all in magnesium , the others where an alloy of alluminium etc... much heavier and much cheaper .
a millerighe wheel has the same weight as a gta wheel . same brand same material same quality .
Looks should definitely be in second place here in my opinion .
 

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Thanks guys - really appreciate the responses. What a great forum.
 

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While it offends many of the purists, I have 15x7 Turbine Mustang GT wheels on my Berlina, and love the look. If you search on my threads there are photos on here somewhere.

They will need to be modified, and the rears are a very tight fit, but a 15" wheel looks just right on the Berlina (and any Alfa), I think 14's just look too small.

A Saab steel wheel in 15" would be a cool choice, as would many Ford Focus / Contour / Escort wheels which are also 4x108. Not necessarily period, but likely cheap.

I like the OEM steelies on all 105 Alfa's, and they're not that heavy in a 14".
 

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Hi guys - quick update here on the 1972 Berlina.

With the other projects taking more time than expected (MGC brakes being the main culprit) I asked Uwe to sort her out for me. He has been AWESOME to deal with, and has her running and driving at this point. A new ignition lock assembly, fuel tank, pump, brake MC and some sorting later and she’s back in the game. I still need to get new tires on her - the ones on there look original! But after that, fingers crossed, looks like she’ll be my new (local) driver.

Thanks again for the welcome and info.

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Put me in the camp that actually likes the Turbinas. They're also about as light as you can find. The only thing I don't like about them is the more limited tire selection in 14".

I've been putting 15x6" Panasports on everything. They fit fine on a Berlina.

15x7" wheels will work if the rear end is nice and tight. I borrowed a set of 15x7" wheels from Andy Kress (Performatek) a couple of years ago for the Detroit convention, and they only rubbed in the rear with the trunk loaded down. Otherwise, on the street, autocross, and time trials, no problem. I've since shimmed the trunion bushings and that has tightened up the rear end considerably.

HTH,

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Cromodora CD 22 - specifications

Rim material:
Rim width x diameter (inches): 5,5x14
Offset:
Bolt pattern: 4x98
Weight:
Year:
Manufacturer part number: 105.48.28.010.04
Cars: Fiat 850 Sport Coupe!!

But also optional supplied to Alfa Romeo's (e.g JZ ).
 

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