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Would assume that most here have heard about the sensational Junior Z built by Alfaholics that was commissioned by Gordon Murray. The specs alone sound incredible: 2.1l TwinSpark engine, GTA-R suspension kit, LSD, competition rear end and on and on. Subtle but reimagined styling that I find sensational. Another one is being built right now for a LA collector. To me, this eats Signer's lunch. Just hope it will be limited to a few so we don't lose more original cars.

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Subtle but reimagined styling that I find sensational.
I see Ferrari-style exterior door handles replacing the OE rectangular handles, body-color rear bumper, front bumper delete, and interior changes. What else has been changed styling-wise?

What sort of a steering column would tilt the wheel to the vertical like this? Well, one with a CV joint, I guess.

 

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It appears Gordon Murray has no appreciation for classic cars. Surely considering he designed one of the fastest road cars performance would not matter when he looks at older cars? ... heck just drive a McLaren F1 if you want to go fast.

He's also ruined an original survivor 2 door Mk1 Ford Escort. Don't get it. If you don't like old cars, leave them for those that do. At least with this Alfa it could be returned to original if necessary, the Escort could do but it would be a mammoth task.

Wish I could buy a McLaren F1 and stick a Chevy in it ... and park it outside his house!
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Gordon Murray has the bona fides and the resources to do whatever the heck he wants to any car he wants. This little green thing is pretty sensational I'd say. As for a McLaren with a Chevy I bet he'd say "live it up, mate."
 

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It's not Alfa Romeo anymore. Just another restomod which was done without any respect to the original car, to the car as the cultural heritage.

This Alfa can't be returned to the original one as he changed the floor of the car to allow him to sit comfortable.

The same as to put modern dress and make up on the face of the lady from 19th century artwork

This car looks silly now and will look very stupid in 10 years


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Gordon Murray has the bona fides and the resources to do whatever the heck he wants to any car he wants. This little green thing is pretty sensational I'd say. As for a McLaren with a Chevy I bet he'd say "live it up, mate."
Lets pray that he never feels the urge to purchase an Alfa Romeo 2900B then.

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Gordon Murray has the bona fides and the resources to do whatever the heck he wants to any car he wants. This little green thing is pretty sensational I'd say. As for a McLaren with a Chevy I bet he'd say "live it up, mate."
I agree Jack Straw, that's a nice fn car... do what you please with your Alfa and drive as you please as well... the snooty tooty must be perfectly stock should go buy another brand.. As I get older I want the rush and enjoyment of an Alfa pushing the edge... If you find a mint Alfa in perfect condition then go have it, but I don't have many years left here on earth and I want a fun/fast time... not driving my Grandma's Oldsmobile...
 

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EB101, I don't know what this Junior Z looked like when he bought it, so maybe in this case it was not a good example of a survivor and needed a restoration ... anyway, so no harm done.

BUT the wonderfully original survivor Ford Escort Mk1 was an absolutely mint car that had never been F'ed with. Still had it's original skinny tyres, hubcaps, everything ............................... and then they cut it to pieces to stick a modern running gear in it, including independent rear suspension, etc. I'm sure it's now a great car, but why not start with a crashed rally car that has rolled down a hill, and leave the extremely rare survivors to those that actually like originality. Remember you cannot return a car to survivor condition; they are the rarest of classic cars.

Considering that Mk1 Escorts make great race cars, the fact that 1 had survived in original condition until the past 2010 is utterly amazing! ... but no more.

Just because you are loaded shouldn't mean you can do as you please to anything, but of course it does .... shame that
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EB101, I don't know what this Junior Z looked like when he bought it, so maybe in this case it was not a good example of a survivor and needed a restoration ... anyway, so no harm done.

BUT the wonderfully original survivor Ford Escort Mk1 was an absolutely mint car that had never been F'ed with. Still had it's original skinny tyres, hubcaps, everything ............................... and then they cut it to pieces to stick a modern running gear in it, including independent rear suspension, etc. I'm sure it's now a great car, but why not start with a crashed rally car that has rolled down a hill, and leave the extremely rare survivors to those that actually like originality. Remember you cannot return a car to survivor condition; they are the rarest of classic cars.

Considering that Mk1 Escorts make great race cars, the fact that 1 had survived in original condition until the past 2010 is utterly amazing! ... but no more.

Just because you are loaded shouldn't mean you can do as you please to anything, but of course it does .... shame that
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This was the donor car. He and Alfoholics just destroyed it




 

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Yes. I do hope he tires of classic cars quickly

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I get the drive to keep things original for rare cars like a Junior Z, but ultimately a car is a piece of private property not public domain.

Gordon doesn't have to "leave old cars to those who like old cars", he doesn't have to protect the car's cultural heritage. He is free to do whatever he wants with his own vehicle.
 

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In a shocking update I can reveal he also has an SVZ with a NON ORIGINAL ENGINE! Although original is in reserve for when needed. His design studio is nearby to us (located next to the original Top Gear track) and we were once (accidentally) graced with his presence at a section meet.

The horror here and elsewhere at the sins done to original cars like these is misplaced IMO quite simply because while the cars are rare there are actually a reasonably large number of both still around - certainly in the hundreds, probably thousands worldwide. And their societal worth is somewhat less than a 2900B both in value and volume.

If it was being done to, for example a GTA or an escort with rally winning pedigree or significant history then it would be a different matter.

The escort was nowhere near a lovely original car when work started, the engine bay, interior and trim were all shot, from the look of the engine bay it was unlikely it ran. There was repaired crash damage with unwanted bondo, and big holes in the floor. The shell was, however repairable and mainly rust free (for the UK)

To see them all of them maintained as complete period originals would be quite boring. There are plenty of originals of both the Junior Z (we have a lovely example in exactly that Kermit green in the local section and I know of another under restoration again in green) or Escort. There's plenty of room for him to do this.

I'd like to see that junior Z pushed hard on a track. With the smaller body and possibly less weight. theoretically it could be quicker than the Alfaholics GTA-R replicas.
 

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Nothing exciting about the very common hotted up old(er) car too.

All that people are doing is making them perform like moderner cars ... I just buy the moderner car when I want that feeling.

And when you discuss Mk1 Escorts and Alfas, I believe there are way more modified/raced up than standard as they suit being played with.

Anyway, I'm keeping my 1750 dead standard to do what I preach
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Nothing exciting about the very common hotted up old(er) car too.

All that people are doing is making them perform like moderner cars ... I just buy the moderner car when I want that feeling.

And when you discuss Mk1 Escorts and Alfas, I believe there are way more modified/raced up than standard as they suit being played with.

Anyway, I'm keeping my 1750 dead standard to do what I preach
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it is all very personal.

I owned a JZ 1600 ( original ) but I would love to drive in this one !
Personally I think this Z-R it looks great and it will drive also great no doubt about that.

Mr. Murray can affort this and perhaps he has another JZ 100% original in his garage and has stocked all original parts for the future.

BTW; to my knowledge the JZ was not delivered with RHD configuration.
 

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I wonder how they "shoe horned" a twin spark motor into the car; did they modify the lower cross member? The hood doesn't look modified (to gain clearance on the top). Dry sump maybe?. I have a "regular" 2L in my car and there isn't a lot of clearance; whats the twin spark - 20mm taller?
 
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