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Hey there everyone - just picked up the 115 after her Alfaholics steering, suspension and brake re-fresh by Turn3 Automotive here in BC. She's driving much much better but I have a question about the stance.

Is this normal to have the front end sitting higher than the rear?

Thanks in advance.
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Yes, it is normal. Note that there will be some variability from car to car in how it sits. For instance, my car has the US air conditioning system with the battery in the trunk, and I found the newly installed Alfaholics suspension to sit a little low in the back. We also do multi-day tours and travel with luggage so wanted a little more rear ride height. After a small AH shim under the rear springs, I am happy with the result.

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From what I understand, if the measurements from the ground to the rocker panel front and back are equal, the car has a factory stance. I feel it should be slightly lower in the front for a better look and am planning to drop mine 1/2”. I have Classic Alfa’s fast road set up.
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Eibach set with 21.5mm shims on rear 7mm on RF and 3mm on LF.
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It looks like you still have the north america "lift"... I installed the performance springs from Centerline International and took out the spacers that artificially lifted the car for bumper height requirements back then...
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My 1971 GTV has the Ward and Dean suspension from the late1980’s. It sits a bit lower in the front. These photos don’t really show the front end lower by about a 1/2”
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Ive found that you need to play with shims to balance the car after changing springs. Right left and front to back
I generally take them all out and throw back in to adjsut afterward
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Looks pretty close to me...but don't forget that your car is a "high" arch model, and many of the cars you're seeing are "low arch" models (pre-67? someone help me out here). As previously pointed out...the rocker panel is most likely level to the ground, which is what you want. The profile of these cars makes the nose look high when in fact it's really not.

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Hey there everyone - just picked up the 115 after her Alfaholics steering, suspension and brake re-fresh by Turn3 Automotive here in BC. She's driving much much better but I have a question about the stance.
Is this normal to have the front end sitting higher than the rear?
Thanks in advance.
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I thought the low bum was related to traditional race practices originating with Autodelta, and has to do with improving the roll centers on the suspension.
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Now to lower our cars, I have been told that you have to put shims between the spring pan and the lower a-arm and if you put in a 1/4” spacer (washer) the lowering effect is double the spacer, in this case lowering the car 1/2”. Is this correct? Are there other ways? I have seen the aluminum spacers for sale that go under the springs but that would raise the car.
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Putting thinner spacers between the spring and pan will lower the car.
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Much spacer discussion on the above thread.
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Hey there everyone - just picked up the 115 after her Alfaholics steering, suspension and brake re-fresh by Turn3 Automotive here in BC. She's driving much much better but I have a question about the stance.

Is this normal to have the front end sitting higher than the rear?

Thanks in advance.
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No, the front end shouldn't sit higher than the rear and yours isn't, it just looks like it is because of the shape of the wheel arches.

The front arch has a radius (round shaped) but the rear one is flattened. This makes it look like the car is sitting down at the rear because you're seeing more air between the tyre and arch at the front than the rear. To check the ride height, either measure the bottom edge of the door to the ground at the front and rear, they should be the same height. Either that or you can draw lines on the photo of the car to check that they're parallel. Here's yours, looks perfect to me-

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What you really need to avoid is trying to equalise those arch gaps, then it all goes wrong-

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No, the front end shouldn't sit higher than the rear and yours isn't, it just looks like it is because of the shape of the wheel arches.

The front arch has a radius (round shaped) but the rear one is flattened. This makes it look like the car is sitting down at the rear because you're seeing more air between the tyre and arch at the front than the rear. To check the ride height, either measure the bottom edge of the door to the ground at the front and rear, they should be the same height. Either that or you can draw lines on the photo of the car to check that they're parallel. Here's yours, looks perfect to me-

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What you really need to avoid is trying to equalise those arch gaps, then it all goes wrong-
Jim - brilliant analysis. Make sense and thank you so much. I'm still new in the Alfa 105/115 arena.

On another note, I've never driven a car that attracted so many thumbs up and praise, both from young and old.

The shed mate Porsche 718 Spyder gets nothing in comparison.

She's still sexy after all these years.

JP
Hey there everyone - just picked up the 115 after her Alfaholics steering, suspension and brake re-fresh by Turn3 Automotive here in BC. She's driving much much better but I have a question about the stance.

Is this normal to have the front end sitting higher than the rear?

Thanks in advance.
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I think you get better aerodynamics by having front about a quarter to half inch lower. I got Alfaholics front coils and my own coil overs in rear. The rear dropped 17 lbs of weight.😁
Hey there everyone - just picked up the 115 after her Alfaholics steering, suspension and brake re-fresh by Turn3 Automotive here in BC. She's driving much much better but I have a question about the stance.

Is this normal to have the front end sitting higher than the rear?

Thanks in advance.
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If it's the "normal" USA version it is very likely the nose was raised in order to prevent oil pan damage and damage claims. The talk during the early 70s was a legal action against Alfa Romeo originating in New York claiming the factory had not provided enough protection for the deep oil pan. Alfa then installed shims to raise the front suspension in the USA destination vehicles. I cant recall if the oil pan guards were also included in this program or if it was a popular dealer option/mandatory option. It was not a bumper or headlight problem.
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If it's the "normal" USA version it is very likely the nose was raised in order to prevent oil pan damage and damage claims. The talk during the early 70s was a legal action against Alfa Romeo originating in New York claiming the factory had not provided enough protection for the deep oil pan. Alfa then installed shims to raise the front suspension in the USA destination vehicles. I cant recall if the oil pan guards were also included in this program or if it was a popular dealer option/mandatory option. It was not a bumper or headlight problem.

That's interesting. I always thought that it was bumper or headlight height related (regulations) because they also raised the rear. British Leyland had to do the same with the MGB too, the later rubber bumper cars look like they're on stilts compared to the earlier cars.

Here's a US car, you can see that they raised the rear as well, in fact, if anything this one looks TALLER at the rear than the front.



See also the Lancia Beta Montecarlo (Scorpion in the US) which had to have pop-up headlights to meet the US headlight height regulations. Us Yurrupeans didn't have pop-ups, we got the much nicer looking fixed lights. So yeah, headlight height was definitely a "thing" in the US in the mid to late 70s.
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Hey there everyone - just picked up the 115 after her Alfaholics steering, suspension and brake re-fresh by Turn3 Automotive here in BC. She's driving much much better but I have a question about the stance. Is this normal to have the front end sitting higher than the rear? Thanks in advance. View attachment 1782517 View attachment 1782518
Yes - my 74 GTV Sat that way. You can raise it an inch with most gas shocks. This was an early Giugiaro design and he liked the charging bull look it gave the little car.
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