SF Information
Several very interesting points, I would be very interested in a Barchetta style website for alfa's.
Firstly though Alfa Scuderia Ferrari cars I have some info on are SF33, SF45, SF46, SF48, SF51, SF53, SF54 & SF64, PM me if you want its pretty skinny information but may be of interest. I have a feeling for the early cars they might have been numbered all the way back to RL's ?? or maybe just the 6C1500/1750 series. And most also had a Alfa serial number, but not all.
As to the website question, heres 3 points
1 - Do any of us have direct information or is everything based on what we have read in books or seen on the net ??. For certain Alfa Romeo kept very little information on there racers, witness the issues Simon Moore and others have getting information on these cars. If the information we have is from Simon's books etc. is that copyrighted ??
2 - Who would pay for the website ??
3 - Most importantly, what about legal issues, lets say we work out that the Alfa P3 discovered in Nepal in 1997 (just for laughs) is a fake. What would the owner/ seller say/ do, sue maybe ??. Would any of us want that, I dont know how Barchetta gets around that issue.
The long and the short of it is someone, anyone should get in touch with the person that runs Barchetta.cc and ask him for some information/ help on how to do this, the pitfalls and the costs !!!
Timmmmmmmmmy
Hi Tim,
thanks for joining. Would like to have your information, about the SF Cars. I think, for us, the Alfisti, it would be valueble for all, to understand and learn more about the cars. I'm personally happy for each car, which still exists, or exist again. I don't like to do business with old cars, that's for different kind of persons. For me the car business is insane and I cannot understand people, who don't have the need for money, getting crooks, to earn some more.
For me, Old cars are Culture, like old Paintings. I think, I'm the only person, who feels sad, that the Rosso Bianco Museum, doesn't exist anymore. Such a Collection of luxery PreWar Cars, we will never see again. One could compare different Designs of Cars Side by Side.
All gone for earning money. -'What an *******'-
My interest is to learn more about old cars, in general, not only racing or sportscars, but specially I like the unknown cars, like the etceterinis, Grand Prix Sportscars and my Alfas and I want as much as possible information and Pics. I would like to do a virtual Museum, but not only with 'glamour cars'.
At the beginning, I'd liked the barchetta page very much, so much information, but 90% Ferraris and allways the same cars. But now they are cardealers and are trying to push the prices even higher.
How could it work, that they do a Report about a Racing day, writing, that there participated an Tipo 33 Stradale and not one single pic. How many Stradales are in Europe?
Best information has ultimatecarpage, best Pics supercars.net, lots of american cars conceptcarz, french cars, gt dreams and at last traumautoarchiv.de. Its difficult with english cars, and german cars hardly exists.
I think, most of the important cars are in the US, but the americans like to take pictures only from common cars. And there are so many important collections, like Miles Collier's, or Fred Simeone's.
I'm triying to find some good pics of the Boano Alfa 6C 3000 CM and there is nothing, the same with the Boano 1900.
But lets go back to the SF Cars.
Many 8C 2300 were raced by the Scuderia Ferrari, the Monza was only in 1931 a front Runner. With the appearence of the Bugatti 51 and the Maserati 8CM its changed. In 1932 Alfa made the P3 and and Ferrari had to use, after Alfas withdrawn from GP Racing, the bored out version of the Monza. Later he got the P3s and he used the Monza for Sportscar Racing. Were there so much difference between the Zagato-Touring Spiders and the Monzas?
Apart the 8C were so expensive, so it was hard to sell, worst the 8C 2900. In the same period Bugatti sold about 700 Type 57 and this was not a sports car. Was it nationalism?
France was the richest Country in Europe after WW I and England wasn't very affected by the great depression, but had strange Rules for sportscar Racing and banned very early the Blower from Racing. So why Ferrari started to built in 1934 more Monzas and against the Silver Arrows more P3s?
No one can tell, there was a market for Racingcars and most of the Racing Car manufacturer broke.(Ballot, Rolland-Pilain, Delage,Talbot, Aston Martin, Sunbeam and Bentley, to name a few), even Alfa Romeo only survived thanks to Mussolini (Ferrari Connection?). Bugatti survived, thanks to the French State (Railcars) and Maserati with sparkplugs.
Somebody have some answers?
Jörg
