Alfa Romeo Forums banner

1 - 20 of 24 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Hello fanatics of beautiful Alfa's!

My reason for posting here is that I have been tempted to purchase a 1972 Alfa Romeo Gt 1750. Now it may seem to be in excellent shape in the photo though it does suffer from a cracked dashboard, bump in the front bumper, three small dents on body, and both front running boards and oth rear wheel arches have been cut and welded again (due to rust). The paint is cracking in areas and rust is lifting the paint in other areas.


However the car is still in a very presentable state, despite having said the above.


My questions are:

What is the value of such a car in this condition?
Why doesn't it have side indicators?
Is there anything wrong from its appearance?


 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
11,363 Posts
I have been tempted to purchase a 1972 Alfa Romeo Gt 1750. Now it may seem to be in excellent shape in the photo though it does suffer from a cracked dashboard
that's normal, no big deal
bump in the front bumper, three small dents on body
normal, normal again
and both front running boards and oth rear wheel arches have been cut and welded again (due to rust). The paint is cracking in areas and rust is lifting the paint in other areas
NOT NORMAL! Before you do anything else, you need to determine how severe the rust is. From your description, it sounds like it could be pretty bad. When you say "running boards" do you mean rocker panels? The rockers are structural on a 105 Alfa.
What is the value of such a car in this condition?
The car may have negative value - i.e., it could cost more to fix its rust than the price of a car in better condition. Have an experienced restoration body shop assess the car before committing to purchase.
Why doesn't it have side indicators?
In what country was it first delivered? Perhaps they didn't have a requirement for side markers back in 1972
Is there anything wrong from its appearance?
From one photo it is impossible to assess its appearance. The grille, bumper, and front fenders look OK. But I can't comment on the rest of the body, the interior, underhood, undercarriage, ......
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
I may be exagerating to a certain extent. Let me re-ohrase.


The front running boards (first 10 inches) have new plates welding in. The rear rear wheels (on the lower corners) have new plates welding in as well.


Apart from this, the body seems to be in perfect nick.

I hope I explained myself and the situation more clearly.


The Alfa has been made to be sold in Malta, a small island in the mediterranean. Hence, this is why it is RHD.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
22,383 Posts
Is it really a 72? The 2000 came out in late 1971, and this looks like a 1750 to me, which would make it a 71 or earlier. The dash, grille, and wheels all look like 1750.
Shouldn't it have front marker lights on the fender sides?
Was it built as RHD or converted?
Very hard to give a value for a different country, especially one like yours that is quite unusual. In the US a good 1750 or 2000 will go for $15-20,000, but that's just a very general guideline.
Andrew
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
595 Posts
I agree that this one looks like a 1750. Have you checked the VIN to verify year and model?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
The vehicle was always RHD. We in Malta drive on the left side of the road.

Secondly, I am tempted to say that the owner might have converted a 2000 to a 1750? Because on the car's logbook, the YOM of manufacture is listed 1972, although the owner ensured me that the engine is 1750...


How can I know for sure from the chassis verification number?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
133 Posts
If you send the chassis number to [email protected], Marco will tell you the date that vehicle rolled off the production line, and when it was sold, as well as the engine series (not serial!) number and the original colors.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,441 Posts
Series 1 1750, unlikely to be 1972 build from the front shot. More likely to be 1970 latest and looks generally correct for that series.

No side indicators is correct for that model in RHD. they came in 1970 with the series 2.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
22,383 Posts
The VIN will tell the story of 1750 or 2000. Fusi's pages are posted here and you or someone else can check against your VIN.
Andrew
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
610 Posts
Looks like that curb can do some serious damage when you drive away. I don't know how you got it over that curb without a ramp.

Elcid
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
I have added a further photo of the car in question:



The vehicle is owned by a car dealer, and he usually restored these vintage vehicles. However, surprisingly, he has stated that he hadn't fully restored the car. he only added a paid of original headlamps, bumper, steering wheel, badges and added the mirrors.

The log book states that its a 1972 model. Could it be that it had been a 2000, and they've converted it to a 1750?
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
11,363 Posts
The log book states that its a 1972 model. Could it be that it had been a 2000, and they've converted it to a 1750?
A more likely explanation is that the factory built it in 1969, but it wasn't sold until 1972. This frequently happened here in the States - the car gets registered for the year the title is issued, even if that is later than when the car was built.

As others have written, the model # on the firewall data plate will give the definitive answer to this question. Look for a number of the form: 105.XX
 

·
Trained (ex)Professional, , 1953-2018 RIP
Joined
·
16,232 Posts
Outward appearance makes it a Mk1 1750 model 10545 (which did not have body mounted repeaters nor did the LHD 10544s). The chassis number range is 1450001-1454000.

As Alister noted, side indicators on the front only first appeared on the Mk2.
Generally, the switch from the Mk1 to the Mk2 took many months during mid-ish 1970. It could be possible that it's a very late build (1972) or as Jay pointed out, 1972 was the first year of registration.
If there is a single servo, it's a Mk1; 2 servos and it's a Mk2 (or a converted 2000). The chassis number will tell all.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,441 Posts
In the second shot, those over-riders that have been added since the first picture are incorrect. Looks like they've been added to the original series 1 bumper which is unusual but you say the dealer has done something to that area of the car. Personally I'd rather see them off but as they mount through the bumper that's probably not possible without replacing the complete assembly.

Bit tough to call it vintage though! Old yes.....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
148 Posts
Some Alfas were actually assembled in Malta alomng the lines of the CKD kits to South Africa I gather. Agree about the overriders - they should be lost! Shame if they have drilled the S1 bumpers to fit...

Always look for body condition and completeness of trim. There are quite a few Alfisti in Malta who can give you a second opinion, so worth talking to a few other people there before you pay over the final amount!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
141 Posts
Hello,

For me according the 2 photos here, there is something which is absolutley not normal.

The rear wheel arches seem too low for a post 68 car.

I think they welded pre 68 rear wings or arches .

For a 1750 GTV S1 or S2 ( the front end seems right ) , you should rectify this.

Bruno
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
31 Posts
Hmm - I was once tempted to buy this car, but he (the dealer) was asking too much at the time. I opted instead for a 1967 Junior which I miraculously found in a garage, a project I am finally about to start this week!

I did go and see it, and it's not bad overall, i was very taken by it. I was advised by a local Alfa Guru that it is a little bit of a hodge-podge. I have sat in it, and it does have Mk2 seats - which i was told were added later. Interior was ok overall, and the car started fine too. It also has chrome rubbing strips added, which annoyed me.

Again I am not sure, but the advice here is sound. Have a really good look at it with someone who has restoration experience and can tell what has and has not been done to it.

PM me should you need anything!

Joshua - another Maltese alfista.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5 Posts
Hi all,


How extraordinary, I myself came across this car the dealer is asking 10,500euros for it (approx $13.800), and decided to do some of my own investigations....and came across this post! :)


Seeing your posts I am rather conserned to be honest. However I do have experience with other classic cars and know that finding everything in correct form is very rare. However I have no experience with Alfa's.

So main issue's I see here are the following:

1) cracked dashboard....Does anyone sell them? how hard to get one of them?
2) seats not original....How does one recognise if they are S1 or S2?

3) rear wheel arches....I have not exactly understood what the issue is here. Can someone explain clearly please?

4) bumper....agreed needs to be changed...again any help on where to find one?

5) General condition of body work is ok, but obviously has some signs of age on it...

Regarding the registration year of 1972.....this was a very common problem back in the day in Malta...usually dates and weights are all messed up on pre 80's cars. However i will check if it is series 1 or 2 from the servo's as pointed out.

What I would also like to know is, what are the common area's of trouble with these cars? what should one look out for?

Till now I have only had a quick look at the car.....next week I should be lifting it up on my 2 post jack to get a better look at this car.

Thanks for all your help, I have found this thread really usefull.

Regards from Malta

Jeremy
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5 Posts
Hello,

For me according the 2 photos here, there is something which is absolutley not normal.

The rear wheel arches seem too low for a post 68 car.

I think they welded pre 68 rear wings or arches .

For a 1750 GTV S1 or S2 ( the front end seems right ) , you should rectify this.

Bruno
can u explain this to me a bit better...since I am not seeing what you are hehe
 
1 - 20 of 24 Posts
Top