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They're only building like 500 for the world next year. No the market doesn't need another sports car in that segment but did Ford have to build the GT? How many of the typical F150 and Focus buyers fit into that income bracket? It did generate a lot of publicity and I'm sure it brought a lot of people into the showrooms. They're doing it again with the Mustang GT500.

I think the 8C makes sense for Alfa Romeo to use it as a promotional tool if they relaunch in the North American market. They can put one in the showrooms, show it in print ads and say Hey look at this great car we make, if you can't afford it we'll be happy to sell you this nice 159 instead.
 

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To me, the 8C is more "Alfa" than any current-generation Alfa available in showrooms today.

The 8C acknowledges what Alfa has not been able to do in a long time; create an uncompromised, cutting-edge sports car that can compete with the likes of Porsche and other more prestigious makes. This is relevant to me because it gives me hope that at least a few people at Fiat and Alfa have their heads screwed on correctly. Maybe some of what makes the 8C such a cool car will find its way into Alfa's less expensive offerings down the line and more people will actually think its worth it to own one.

That's my $.02
 

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I saw this on Italiaspeed and AR.it the other day. this looks to be pretty much the proof we needed, let all the naysayers that this car would never happen finally shut up.

As for a another non-needed 100k + exotic? If Alfa Romeo doesnt deserve to have a car which is ready for the track, who does? Going by the proposed #'s and fancies (carbon fiber body) thats exactly what this car will be, Its a **** shame that Alfa Romeo has been relegated to only having passenger cars considering its history and racing heritage.

And guess what, near ready to race street cars are expensive... deal with it or just hate all exotics I guess? I say this is good news for things to come at AR, with the current AWD cars combined with RWD cars perhaps in the future Alfa's future is looking way way up.

My guess in about a year, Russian's new Screenname will be Russian8C_dude... and he'll try to make us all forget his hate on AR's...
I would really like to buy one. However between a 430 and an 8c it is no contest, I take the Ferrari, since I already drive a 360 Spider from time to time and love that car. However due to my spending habits, all I can hope for in the next 2 years is a low mileage 355.
 

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I would really like to buy one. However between a 430 and an 8c it is no contest, I take the Ferrari, since I already drive a 360 Spider from time to time and love that car. However due to my spending habits, all I can hope for in the next 2 years is a low mileage 355.
Id probably take the Gallardo over the Ferrari just because everytime I see one.. I mean. HEAR one. im just like wow. But Id probably take the 8C over either of these if its priced similiarly, slightly biased of course, plus front engined..rear wheel drive. carbon fibre..very cool bragging rights...lots of fun. ;)

But in all honesty youre comparing the wrong cars.. which i will now make a new thread on.. ;)
 

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8c competizione will be presented in Paris (September) as AR’s brand manager Baravalle told in Geneva.It will use the new V8 Alfa/Ferrari/Maserati in 4.7lt edition me more hp compared to 450hp of the upcoming Maserati Spyder GT (2006)….It will have at least 470/80hp

8c spider was presented in pebble beach concours of elegance wich is one of the three most important elegance contests (concours of elegance) and the main feature was AR……AR is one of the few companies that can be the main feature of such exhibitions.
Audi/Bmw or even Porsche never were the main feature of such contest despite Bmw is one of those events defrayer.

8c competizione’s deliveries will start in 2007.The upcoming flaghship of AR (169-2008) will also be RWD (4door coupe of 5m based in maserati quattroporte’s platform/transaxle).Fiat headquarters think of the new generation of 159/sportwagon/brera/spider (2012) to be RWD but is very early to speak about.

After 8c’s production we will soon see a race version of 8c for GT and the next goal for AR is the return in Le Man.

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sakiss said:
8c competizione will be presented in Paris (September) as AR’s brand manager Baravalle told in Geneva.It will use the new V8 Alfa/Ferrari/Maserati in 4.7lt edition me more hp compared to 450hp of the upcoming Maserati Spyder GT (2006)….It will have at least 470/80hp

8c spider was presented in pebble beach concours of elegance wich is one of the three most important elegance contests (concours of elegance) and the main feature was AR……AR is one of the few companies that can be the main feature of such exhibitions.
Audi/Bmw or even Porsche never were the main feature of such contest despite Bmw is one of those events defrayer.

8c competizione’s deliveries will start in 2007.The upcoming flaghship of AR (169-2008) will also be RWD (4door coupe of 5m based in maserati quattroporte’s platform/transaxle).Fiat headquarters think of the new generation of 159/sportwagon/brera/spider (2012) to be RWD but is very early to speak about.

After 8c’s production we will soon see a race version of 8c for GT and the next goal for AR is the return in Le Man.

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I think it would be far more productive for Alfa to build the kind of car Alfisti want (something like a modern 2 liter RWD Giulietta or Giulia) than to spend millions building a car like the 8C and then race it.
 

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The marriage between Fiat and GM is already over. The GM engines in Alfas are just fallout from the old business deal. The 8C is the first new Alfa to use a Maserati engine and it won't be the last. My guess is that the new alliance between Alfa and Maserati will spark co-devlopment projects of new engines to be used by both brands. GM engines will eventually be phased out.

I wouldn't be suprised if we ended up seeing some of these engines in the current generation of Alfa cars later on in their production cycles.
 

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The marriage between Fiat and GM is already over. The GM engines in Alfas are just fallout from the old business deal. The 8C is the first new Alfa to use a Maserati engine and it won't be the last. My guess is that the new alliance between Alfa and Maserati will spark co-devlopment projects of new engines to be used by both brands. GM engines will eventually be phased out.

I wouldn't be suprised if we ended up seeing some of these engines in the current generation of Alfa cars later on in their production cycles.
Maserati sourced V6 would be wonderfull. Maybe a Ferrari sourced 4 cylinder?(they made one for MV Agusta).
 

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It's interesting people are hung up on the GM sourced blocks not being proper Alfa engines. The blocks maybe sourced from a partnership with GM (the joint development makes them atleast part Italian) but the heads and electronics are from Alfa. The bits that give an engine most of its character come from Alfa. As long as it looks, feels, sounds and drives like a "proper" Alfa engine, should anyone care?

Every engine on the market today has components derived across manufacturers and geographies. We live in a global economy with multiple parts sourcing and development. Even Ferrari/Maserati engines have Chinese, Japanese, Korean, British and Malaysian (among other countries) bits. Does this make Ferrari engines today less "Ferrari like" or Italian? How about a Aston or a Lamborghini built in Germany with component R&D sourced in China? A BMW assembled in North Carolina with parts from Taiwan? A Mercedes built in Alabama? A Camry built in Kentucky and developed in a design studio in California?

The days when two guys in a garage turned their mother's kettle in to a propulsion device and built an industrial empire in their back yard are long gone (well, maybe not in Silicon Valley). We are probably better off for it if we can still have the things we love and care about sooner, cheaper and better put together.
 

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It's interesting people are hung up on the GM sourced blocks not being proper Alfa engines. The blocks maybe sourced from a partnership with GM (the joint development makes them atleast part Italian) but the heads and electronics are from Alfa. The bits that give an engine most of its character come from Alfa. As long as it looks, feels, sounds and drives like a "proper" Alfa engine, should anyone care?

Every engine on the market today has components derived across manufacturers and geographies. We live in a global economy with multiple parts sourcing and development. Even Ferrari/Maserati engines have Chinese, Japanese, Korean, British and Malaysian (among other countries) bits. Does this make Ferrari engines today less "Ferrari like" or Italian? How about a Aston or a Lamborghini built in Germany with component R&D sourced in China? A BMW assembled in North Carolina? A Mercedes built in Alabama? A Camry built in Kentucky and developed in a design studio in California?

The days when two guys in a garage turned their mother's kettle in to a propulsion device and built an industrial empire in their back yard are long gone (well, maybe not in Silicon Valley). We are probably better off for it if we can still have the things we love and care about sooner, cheaper and better put together.
the project of v6 hf GM seems begun in 1999, someone asserts that Japanese HONDA. has participated also on the situated ones web of the Fiat group does not find news of such motors, has pointed out me that not even on situated of the Fiat- powertrain- technology, been born from a rib of dead Fiat-GM powertrain, they are found indiscretions or news of some kind on v6 jts but on new the 4 cylinders jts. these motors does not exist for the society
F-P-T that are taken care of development search and production of the diesels engine and the motors to gasoline, gearbox
 

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The Return of the First Exotic class. ALFA ROMEO

THe 8C is turely the car we need to seperate us from those Fiat built intalian BMW's and in some cases Italian VW Golf's and some Mazda's that are taking the Alfa Look. Lets get that car here and I'm certain to buy. Alfa Romeo is an Exotic Car not a economy luxury car. I Fuk^&*(ing love that 8C
 

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The 8c is the Alfa we need to put the brand back on the map, people are gonna say, dammmmmm thats an ALFA????.....and the glorious past of this once reverred name will rekindle.
 

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Alfa_Tiv said:
It's interesting people are hung up on the GM sourced blocks not being proper Alfa engines. The blocks maybe sourced from a partnership with GM (the joint development makes them atleast part Italian) but the heads and electronics are from Alfa. The bits that give an engine most of its character come from Alfa. As long as it looks, feels, sounds and drives like a "proper" Alfa engine, should anyone care?

Every engine on the market today has components derived across manufacturers and geographies. We live in a global economy with multiple parts sourcing and development. Even Ferrari/Maserati engines have Chinese, Japanese, Korean, British and Malaysian (among other countries) bits. Does this make Ferrari engines today less "Ferrari like" or Italian? How about a Aston or a Lamborghini built in Germany with component R&D sourced in China? A BMW assembled in North Carolina with parts from Taiwan? A Mercedes built in Alabama? A Camry built in Kentucky and developed in a design studio in California?

The days when two guys in a garage turned their mother's kettle in to a propulsion device and built an industrial empire in their back yard are long gone (well, maybe not in Silicon Valley). We are probably better off for it if we can still have the things we love and care about sooner, cheaper and better put together.
Yes, you are right, except that the new Alfa engines are still rubbish. They just don't want to rev, don't sound very nice and are very linear. So the whole reason for being hung up on the whole GM thing is that the new engines are inferior to the Fiat ones.
 

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Alfa_Tiv said:
It's interesting people are hung up on the GM sourced blocks not being proper Alfa engines. The blocks maybe sourced from a partnership with GM (the joint development makes them atleast part Italian) but the heads and electronics are from Alfa. The bits that give an engine most of its character come from Alfa. As long as it looks, feels, sounds and drives like a "proper" Alfa engine, should anyone care?
I wouldn't care so much about the new GM-sourced engines in Alfa Romeos if they were actually better than Alfa's old engines. My problem is that I don't think that they are. And in my philosophy, things are suppose to improve and become more refined with time, not get worse.

In the past Alfa engines were known for their quality and design. By many, Alfa developed what were considered the best engines on the market for the money and many of the inovations in engine design that were pioneered by Alfa inspired other auto manufacturers for generations. So, politics aside, I don't see why GM needs to provide them with inferior blocks than the ones Alfa use to produce themselves. If you ask me, Alfa should be the ones providing GM with blocks.

But alas, this isn't a perfect world that we live in. Fiat struggles and GM mass produces cheap engines and this is the result we have.
 

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http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/A/alfaromeo/15905-/15905--perf.html

"It sounds delicious, too, the usual Alfa V6 note reproduced convincingly on this all-new engine"


http://motoring.independent.co.uk/road_tests/article226623.ece

To the road. And have no fears about the new engine's Alfa-ness, because this one sounds almost exactly like the old 2.0 Twin Spark, (possibly the most charismatic four-cylinder production engine of recent years) with a lovely edge to its exhaust note and a crisp, eager response. It pulls better from low speed than its predecessor, too, although the 159's ample mass "just shy of a ton-and-a-half" blunts the thrust a bit.



http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=769&fArticleId=2996359

It does. One press of the V6 Q4's starter button, one blip of its accelerator, and you know there's a soul within. This new V6 engine has much the same rich, delicious burble as past Alfa V6s, but it now has the mid-speed pulling power (and the thirst) to match the high-revs energy.



http://www.topgear.com/drives/A0/00/roadtests/01/01.html

At the top of the tree is a 260bhp V6 doing its stuff via four-wheel drive. It's unrelated to Alfa's old V6, but manages to sound remarkably similar - deep and thrumming at low revs, sharp and keen higher up. An engine that loves to be pasted.
 

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I wonder why we are so hung up about the Busso V6s. It's really long in the tooth. Had a lot of novel ideas, but seriously, way past its sell by date. Also do we want Alfa to back to its old ways?

In 1992 BMW moved to the hotwire AFM, Alfa was still stuck with the flapper AFM until the 164 Q4.

I love the V6, all my Alfas are V6s. But the reality is, it's time to move on.
 

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GM for Alfa

No way should GM provide the engines. I love my country but leave the car stuff to the italians. Youll end up with what happened to Jaguar, Mercedes, and Aston Martin. Even though its not in the US currently, Alfa Romeo is one of the last pure breedz in the US. I thought they were getting an engine from Ferrari. The same V8 in the Maserati.

I dont just like the badge on the front and rear. I like the whole car. Once the Americas get their hands on it they will do what they always do. Make cars simular like with all american cars. Name one American car that doesnt have a 'suto' twin of a different name but same manufacturer. Hell the Jaguar S tyep is the Tourus. Now Mercedes (which i dont like anway) :mad: looks like Chrystlers. Go figure.
 
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