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I've been thinking of ideas to make the Alfa Cup a little more different and this was one of the things that I've been meaning to ask participants for some time now.
As a fun race, I once participated in an Australian Pursuit race. Using the lap times from the sprint race, each car (slow car first... that's you Norm ;) ) is sent out from the hot pit. Each car is distanced by the calculated time difference for a 20 minute race. This really made the last lap very exciting. On the last lap, coming down the straight, we had all the cars bunched up for a photo finish.

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I feel a reverse grid is just as risky as a standing start. Usually people who start in the back tend to be less experienced or have mildly prepared cars which could create an uncomfortable situation for them in turn 1.
I'll chime in. Seems the rolling starts are settled, and I, too, agree. Not necessarily more fun (never done it), but certainly more risky.
As far as the reverse grid, I don't believe it is so much more risky. Listen to Norm.
But it would make it more rewarding to grant points for the qualifier race. Just call them heat one (Saturday) and two (Sunday). How to grid the first? Just the same way it has been done. The best they fairly can. The second heat we can still decide, reverse gridding or not. And then average the points for the winners.

Hope to be there for the next Alfa Cup.

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Dear Mr Alfistaa.
I'm sorry to have sugested the notion that your cars are capable of a standing start or two. I forgot that american race car technology is still based in the '60s. Left hand turns, rag tyres, 4 barrel carbies, arc welded chassis, exploding clutches,etc.
As for being a smarter, I have to remind you that last time I looked, Australia was not part of the EU and in fact is in a completely different hemisphere.
Unfortunatly, I'm not a multi millionaire racer with a pit crew and a spare car ready to roar into action. I am a fulltime golf car repairer and I do a bit of race car stuff in my shed at home after hours. All learned from my own racing experiances and listening to others. I'm even building a '70 mustang for historic racing for a guy and guess what? It can do standing starts. Maybe I could make a fortune in the states teaching them a thing or two.
All of the club level racing guys here can deal with standing starts both mechanically and mentally. Maybe thats why usa, with 250million people and all that money, cant produce a decent F1 driver or even a car. Your premier open wheel cars are made in England.
We do have an open mind to changes to the way we race. We adopted the american style pace/safety car system to control the field when needed.
We do run reverse grid races occasionally. Our top level touring cars tried it a few years ago but there was too much carnage. Some race series reverse the top 10. That seems to work and even produces a few suprises.
The reason why we dont do rolling starts is because they are so boring. Can you imagine an F1 race with a rolling start? I dont normally fall asleep until lap 3.
I hope that one day you try something different just to see what happens.
I'm off to go dirt rallying in my Mercedes.

Mr Fortis 612
They are called handycap races and are great fun and guess what.....
we do them from a standing start.
 

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Good grief. *** difference does it make to you what kind of start we run at a regional club event in California?? Ever consider there is more involved in the decision than just car (and mental?) preparation?

And what do your pointless generalizations about the US have to do with anything? What does F1 or Nascar have to do with this? Or are you just trying to make a few friends in your spare time over here?

And as to your inevitable reply: yes, i appreciate you are just trying to improve my life experience; yes, Ozzies build way better race cars; yes, Ozzies are all mental giants that are dialed in for the extreme stresses of standing starts, and yes, you are just way more *****in' than us.

Which begs the question: why waste all of your time on a regional Cal board with a bunch of idiots? Spend your time hanging out on the Ozzy forum with the smart guys! Or is it that they don't want to play with you either?
 

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I think we are all trying to understand why you do rolling starts when it appears most of the rest of the world does standing starts. The only place I've ever seen rolling starts is on TV.
 

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For what is worth our race group Sovren is going to try out one race session at our May Spring Sprints event. By the the way the folks that lobby for this all have raced in New Zealand in the winter and think it the way to go?

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For what is worth our race group Sovren is going to try out one race session at our May Spring Sprints event. By the the way the folks that lobby for this all have raced in New Zealand in the winter and think it the way to go?
Try out what? Standing or rolling start? Lobby for what - standing or rolling?
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Try out what? Standing or rolling start? Lobby for what - standing or rolling?
Jes
For what is worth our race group Sovren is going to try out one race session at our May Spring Sprints event. By the the way the folks that lobby for this all have raced in New Zealand in the winter and think it the way to go?

John
Opps - We will be trying the standing start, in the past we have been succsessful with the Lemans starts.
 

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Interesting. Any mishaps during the (Lemans) starts?

Preferences probably depend a lot on "temperament" of the various organizations, and that may be difficult to communicate, without actual participation in the events.

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From the first post in the thread:

The purpose of this thread is to discuss, post videos, post pictures, and make suggestions to help make the Alfa Cup more enjoyable to participants and spectators.
Anthony's purpose is a noble one but some of it seems to have been lost along the way.

With that said, what would Alfa Cup participants think about giving standing starts a shot? It would make for an interesting start because a lot of the full race cars up front have a tall first gear while a lot of the cars in the middle to back have stock gears. Just a thought and looking for opinions (good and bad).
I believe there is no single best way to run a race series. Consequently, I'm anxious to hear everyone's ideas, opinions and comments. If we can find something which will make the Alfa Cup series more fun for those who race in it, why not try. However, the Alfa Cup series is a series for the participants. Consequently, it will be their opinions which will weigh most heavily with respect to changes IF we elect to make any.
 

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STANDING STARTS: Little to gain, much to lose. When I watch a F1 race, I always think how dumb it is to lose several competitors before the first turn. I am sure it appeals to the same people who watch racing just to see the wrecks.

INVERTED STARTS: I am not particularly in favor, but it should not present too much of a hazard in the Alfa Cup. HOWEVER, my experience in an open race at WS with inverted start convinced me that I don't want to do that again. There is too much of a disparity of performance, and too many fast cars trying to get to 1st place before turn 2.

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I would very much like to have a go with standing starts. My experience in Vintage Racing (both as a racer and as a starter) is that the starter is VERY reluctant to abort a rolling start, no matter how ratty the field.

This is because an aborted start is a very hazardous situation.

The result of this (appropriate) reluctance is that the field is always ragged and slingshot starts (yes, I mean You, Hector) are common.
I vote for a WIDELY SPACED grid and a standing start.
With lots of space on the grid, qualifying will still be very relevant, and stalls on the grid will be less hazardous.
Let's give it a try!
 

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Alfa Cup Starts

I second keeping the rolling starts and welcome the occasional reverse grid. We've done a couple reverse grids at Willow and they were pretty fun.....takes more skill in my opinion to make clean passes of the slower cars and work your way through the field.

Another grid could be to place the evil, more powerful V6 cars wayyyy back and the poor 4 culinder Alefttas up front :D
 
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