[Alfisto Steve]

The 164 12v V6 turbo uses one and 24v V6 uses two knock sensor(s) 60810791 aka 60548743 or 60592752 but I don't know the Bosch numbers for these. Does anybody know?

The 164 24v uses a cam angle sensor (CAS) 60573739. What is Bosch number?

They both use same RPM/Timing Sensor 60560715 Bosch number 0261210047

Some other part number info: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-168-1991-1995/50418-some-alfa-164-bosch-part-numbers.html

 

[alfahill]

Steve, Just curious as to what kind of information the cam angle sensors provides to the ECU that could not be provided from the crank sensor?

 

[Alfisto Steve]

Steve, Just curious as to what kind of information the cam angle sensors provides to the ECU that could not be provided from the crank sensor?

The knock sensors and cam angle sensor work together see 94 electrical wiring manual pag 562 for info.

 

[alfahill]

Steve, Thanks for all that information. However, my questions remains. If the cam angle sensor is a timing sensor for the knock sensor, why couldn't the crank sensor, which also serves as a timing sensor for the ignition, provide the same input to the ECU.

With the newly acquired 24v LS, I have a lot to learn about this M1.7 system. Just yesterday, I found that the Idle Air Regulator (IAR) has three pins instead of the 2 pins on the 91-93 M1.4. Mine makes a humming noise with the key in the on position and engine not running, and I wonder if that is normal. Why does it have the extra pin anyway? It took me a while to trace the noise because I was not expecting it from how the earlier IARs behave.
I also noticed that the throttle position sensor is different when it wasn't making the familiar clicking sound. I figured that one out already as having a contineously variable resistance output instead of a double switch.
Thanks, Alfahill

 

[john.harrill]

The crank sensor and the cam angle sensor are the same; the difference is in the length of the pigtail.

Having just had these items off, I know they work on the Hall effect, but how does the knock sensor work? Is it piezoelectric?

 

[goats]

Alfa hill IAC

Yep mine hums too with key in run position. It kind of drones, I would say, it doesnt seem to be able to carry a tune very well.

 

[john.harrill]

It just doesn't know the words.

 

[g84]

Take care. I had a cambelt slip because a malfunction in IAR. It did´t keep down the revs at startup. Instead of 1200 revs at startup i got 3000 revs and with almost no oilpressure (dry cams) in that moment the cambelt slipped.

JK
164 Q4

 

[164TD]

Steve,

I don't know if this works right away, but here you can find sensorpartnumbers.

The numbers look kind of short for a Boschnumber, but maybe it helps.

Its for a Q4 btw.....

PartsBase

 

[164TD]

Nope, it doesn't work right away.
Type JL-HG-95 (my licenceplate) in the yellow rectangle(dutch licenceplate)

Select motormanagement and ODB
Select "impulsgever"
Selcct any of the sensors for info....

 

[164TD]

I found this on the Boschsite.

 

[DPDISXR4Ti]

FWIW, the Bosch KS pictured above looks very much like the one used on the Saab 900/9000 Turbo, except there's no pigtail on the one spec'd for the Saab - the quick-connector is built right into the sensor. I was initially going to suggest that they're swap-able, but I imagine the harness on the Alfa won't reach a pig-tall-less KS, and you really don't want to go splicing into a sensitive circuit like this to extend it.

 

[Alfisto Steve]

Well, looks like maybe 0 261 231 095 is Bosch number for 60810791 knock sensor

 

[kobbi]

hi
is there any resion not to buy this cheep knocking sensor for my 1994 v6 24v ?
96253615 Knock Sensor for Daewoo Lanos Fiat Coupe Lancia Kappa Alfa Romeo 145 | eBay


at the end i ordered fae 60111, its from spain
other company is "facet"

here are all your options :
aLFA: 60592752, BOSCH: 0261 231 095, 0261231095, FIAT: 60810791, QUINT: XKS31, DAEWOO: 96 253 615, 96253615, FACET: 9.3023, ERA: 550230, FAE: 60111, MEATDORIA: 87357, STANDARD: 19527

 

[Evgeny 164]

Сam angle sensor 60573739 - Bosch 0 261 210 090 / Facet 9.0088
Knock sensor 60810791 / 6 059 2752 - Bosch 0 261 231 007 / Fae 60111 /

Sometimes you can use these to determine cross interchange
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