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Having had over a Year of Research put into this project so far, with Details such as: Engine and Transmission Selection, Initial VicRoads Registration Compliance - to account for the New 2009 National Code of Practice ( NCOP ) Road Registration Rules to Road Register Her, Sourcing and Purchasing 2 Suitable Alfa Romeo 105 1750 GT Veloce Coupes - a 1969 Series 1, and the other being a 1970 Series 2 , Purchasing a Custom Alfa 105 Rotiserie for the Bodywork and Chassis Modifications, and then Meeting with Automotive Engineers, Automotive Electrical Wiring Specialists, Engine Machine Workshops, Alfa Restorers, Specialist Alfa Panel Beaters, Numerous Individual Automotive Component Manufacturers, and Suppliers, I'm nearing the stage to finally get her underway.

Alfa Romeo Carbon8 V8 Turning a Dream into Reality 07-01-2010 A.jpg

Details below are the Result of having finally Selected a Drivetrain that will keep the Italian Theme, be Compliable, Engineered, Legal, Road Registerable, and Fulfill that Dream I had many years ago with my Father, to Own an Alfa Romeo 105 Series 1 1750 GT Veloce Coupe.

However, even though that Initial Alfa 1750 Dream still remains, it has altered somewhat over the years, after Owning a few Racecars, including an Alfa Romeo 116 Series 2.0 Litre 400Hp Turbocharged GT Sports Sedan.

Now that Dream is to Own an Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Veloce Coupe that is just as Fast as a 2010 Ferrari or Lamborghini, but Utalises a Maserati Powered 4.2 Litre Naturally Aspirated 390Hp V8 Engine, has that Beautiful V8 Sound, and is Designed still Retaining that Classic Alfa GTAm Theme, just Updated.

Drivetrain Components such as the Maserati V8 Engine and Transmission will be from the Maserati 2002-2004 4200 Coupe and Spyder.

The Maserati Transaxle being used will be the Semi Automatic Version from the same Model with the Steering Wheel Paddle Adjustable Gear Change, which will be held in place with a Custom Modification of the Maserati Transmission Cradle and Cross Member, and will use the Maserati Transmission Computer Modules from the same car.

Connection of the Maserati V8 Engine and Transaxle will be by utalising the Maserati Engine Bell Housing, and Tail Shaft - Shortened and Rebalanced.

Maserati 2002 Coupe 4244cc V8 and Rear Transaxle.jpg

Maserati 2002 Coupe 4244cc V8 Engine Internals Cutaway.jpg

A Complete Maserati Rear Suspension System - Skyhook System - will be Converted to fit, including the Maserati Axles, Aluminium Rear Hubs, Aluminium Suspension Arms, and Upgraded Shock Absorbers / Springs - Front and Rear.

Additional Components needed to be Custom Fabricated will include, but not limited to:
Bodywork, based Initially on the 1750 GTAm, then Custom Modified to resemble the Design Drawing above, Alloy Radiator, Alloy Oil Cooler, Custom Exhaust System, Ventilated and Cross Slotted Fully Floating Front Discs, 4 Spot Lightweight Callipers, Upgraded Pedal Box, Modified Custom Offset Simmons 3 Piece Modular Wheels, Custom Fuel Tank, Fuel Purge and Surge Tanks, Hi Pressure Fuel Pumps, Adjustable Fuel Regulator, New Custom Fuel Lines, Custom Electrical Re-Wiring Throughout, Custom Interior Re-Trim in Suede, Aclantera, and Carbon Fibre, etc.....

To read any Previous Lead Up to date, you can be read through the Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums under my previous Threads -

1. Alfa Romeo Technical Forums > GT (1965-1974) > My Mustard Girl - Rebuilding a 1969 !759 GT Veloce Coope.

2. Alfa Romeo Technical Forums > GT (1965-1974) > My 1750 Bella - rebuilding a Series 2 105 1750 GT Veloce Coupe.

3. Alfa Romeo Technical Forums > Engine Conversions > Alfa 105 1750 fit Chev LS2 V8.

Even though She will Only have around 400Hp, after Manufacturing a Custom Carbon Fibre Cold Airbox Intake System, and having the Maserati Engine Computer possibly Upgraded with a Motec Piggyback System, which should assist in the Custom Exhaust and Retuning of the Engine, this should make the Dream achievable, as She'll still be around 1000 Kgs Finished, using Lightweight Materials in Her Build including: Carbon Fibre, Alloy, and Magnesium.

Anyway, will update as things progress, and add more Information Details on the Build soon.
 

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Wow! This has got to be the most ambitious 105 project I've ever seen posted on the BB. Good luck and post up some video not just photos as you go!
 

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I'll join you on this one as well.:eek:

And I thought the build on my 101 Sprint was becoming expensive.

One of the features of joining a club, or hanging out on the BB is that there is always someone spending more money.

Helps with the rationalization.:D

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Thanks fangio8C, if you've got a Dream, go for it.

Better to try make it Happen, or Fail, rather than Die an Old Man Wondering What If ?

Hi Subtle, to be perfectly Honest, I can think of a few other things I could waste my time and money on, but it has to be up there with the Better Ones once She'll be finished, not to mention trying to wipe that BIG GRIN off my face when I hit the LOUD Pedal.

Would be happy to meet when She's done gbasile77, might even Club Race Her at Phillip Island and do a few Club Country Cruises, once I join back up.

And PiperYelloGTV2k, yes.

One of the benefits of the Maserati Engine is it's Dry Sump System, helping me squeeze it into My Bella's Engine Bay.

I may have to add a Hump on the Bonnet to clear the Maserati Induction Manifold, but that will be a lot easier than if it had a Wet Sump, and a little more durable on the Engines Internal Components.
 

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Hi davbert, I agree, although they aren't quite as plentiful as the Alfa V6, but when you look at the Cost of a New Ferrari or Lamborghini, and consider She should be just as Fast, saving a few $$$, and having something Unique, should be worth the Effort in the End.
 

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Here's the picture that started that Dream off years ago as a young boy.

Alfa Romeo 105 1750 GTam 1970 Red B&W.jpg

Pic below shows the Simmons 15" Period Wheels I've had in storage for many years which I'll probably use on My Bella, but with New Inner and Outer Rims Custom Made to Suit the Offset needed.

However, should things change where I'll need to get New Wheels to Increase the Wheels Diameter, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

Alfa Romeo GT Sports Sedan Simmons 3 Piece Race Wheels 1.jpg
 

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Here's a Pic of the Current Alfa 2010 8C Drivetrain Platform which will be Similar to how My Bella will look in the Drivetrain Department, but with Obvious allowances for the Different Front Suspension.

Fiat500USA-8CCompetizione chassis 4-7.jpg


2007 Alfa 8C Competizione Rear Transaxle.jpg

Notice how the 8C Platform looks very Similar to the Maserati 4200's Platform above.

I'll be utalising the Maserati's Transaxle Cradle and Transmission Mounts to then Modify to suit my Bella using the complete Maserati Rear End which includes Axles, Aluminium Hubs, Rear Disc Brake System, and Rear Alloy Suspension Arms.

Have taken Measurements of the Rear Wheelbase of a Genuine Alfa Romeo GTAm with the GTAm Guards, and compared this to the Maserati Factory Specifications for the Maserati 4200 Rear Wheelbase, and it seems there is only 1/2" difference Each Side between the two cars.

This 'difference' can be Accomadated as the GTAm has around 3/4 - 1" of free space between the Original GTAm's Outside Rear Tyre to Inner Guard, with a further 1/2" each side which I can Trim back from the Rear GTAm Guards Inner Wheel Arch Return Lip when Fitted.

This should enable the Maserati 4200 Rear End to Fit Under My Bellas Rear End Track Wise, with the Suspension to Body Pick-up Points being the Area which will then need to be Custom Modified to suit, along with the Transmission Cradle and Mount Modifications.
 

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Below is a few Pics of an Original Alfa Romeo GTAm's Rear Guards with the Wheel Clearance shown.

Alfa GTA GT Veloce 105 V-S LHS Rear Guard Boot Hinge 27-10-2010 007 Compressed.jpg

Alfa GTA GT Veloce 105 V-S LHS Rear Guard Rear View  27-10-2010 008 Compressed.jpg

Alfa GTA GT Veloce 105 V-S  LHS Rear Guard Side View  27-10-2010 009 Compressed.jpg

Fibreglass Rear GTAm Rear Guard Return Lip to Outside Rear Tyre Clearance is also shown which can be Trimmed back if necessary for extra Rear Track Clearance to fit the Maserati 4200 Rear End.

This will also help me Remove the Rusty Sections on My Bella around the Rear Wheel Arches and Lower Guard Sections, allowing me to Fatten up the Overall Rear End Appearance with Custom Made Carbon / Kevlar Rear GTAm Style Guards.

Rear Guards will be Carbon Fibre on the Outside for Strength and Rigidity, with Kevlar on the Inside for Stone Chip Protection and Strength.

Undecided at the moment on their Joining to the Body, but thinking of Manufacturing a Hidden Fixing System rather than having the External Rivit Heads Shown as per the Original GTAm.

This will allow me to have the Top of the Guards Finish at the Rear Quarter Pressed Body Line ( which Runs along the Top of the Gold Line on this example in the Pics ), rather than having the Rear Guard run Higher and then Rivited into the Rear Guard 1/2" Higher than the Rear Quarters Pressed Body Line, as is the case shown above.

Alfa GTA GT Veloce 105 V-S LHS Rear Fibreglass Inner Guard Inner Rearward View 27-10-2010 019 Co.jpg

Alfa GTA GT Veloce 105 V-S LHS Rear Fibreglass Under Guard Rearward View 27-10-2010 015 Compress.jpg
 

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Sounds like a great project...

I completely see where you are coming from using the 4200 engine. Its a great motor and makes an amazing sound. The part I would question is the use of the Maserati sequential transaxle gearbox. I remember considering buying one of the GranSport 4200 cars when it came out and the big reason I didnt was that gearbox. In my view it was pretty dreadful. It would have been better with a normal torque converter auto. Im assuming you have driven a working 4200?

I would investigate other gearbox options from Hollinger, ZF etc. There must be other 6sp transaxle options out there.
 

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Hi blacklotus99, Reason I'm after the Cambiocorsa F1 Semi Automatic Gearbox is due to me Loosing my Right Leg from a Right Hand Front Tyre Blow-Out in my Alfa 116 GTV 2.0 Litre ( which finished up at my knee ) a few years ago.

It'll make it a bit easier for me to Change Gears, and give me the ability to Left Foot Brake with my Left Foot, and use my Right Plastic Foot to Accelerate with ( have to push and pull from my knee - as the Prosthetic Ankle dosen't do what my Brain tells it to do ).

By having the Clutch Pedal Deleted, it'll also free up some Footwell Space for me, as the Footwells aren't that large to begin with in the Alfa 105's.

I've actually got a Hollinger Group A Gearbox in my Alfa 116 GT 2.0 Litre Turbo Sports Sedan ( different car to the Bronze one that was written off ), which is a Great Transaxle, but just a bit hard for me to use these days due to my Leg.

Anyway, Good Advice to check it out, but after seeing Michael Schumacher Test Drive a Maserati 4200 Spyder with the F1 Semi Automatic Paddle Operated Transmission on YouTube, I think it should be ok for what I want to use it for.

You can check it out on:

YouTube - Maserati.spyder.Schumacher.test.drive - Windows Internet Explorer

Not sure how to add this YouTube Link to this Thread, but if anyone else can do this, it'd be appreciated, that way anyone else Interested in seeing that YouTube Test Drive can Click onto it.
 

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Currently in the search for a Wrecked Maserati 4200 Coupe or Spyder to Import to use Components from - preferably RHD - if anyone is aware of any with an undamaged Rear End and Engine Bay I'd be happy to hear from you, Thanks.
 

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I'm a bit perplexed by this project Carbon8. Isn't it going to be a hell of a handful? It will be fast indeed, but what about refinement? And dare I say, safety?!
 

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Hi italiansedanman, yes, it will be a BIG project, but I plan it to be a lot safer than my Deceased 116 GTV Alfetta Coupe which at 60kph after aquaplaneing into a Rock Wall finished at my Knees ! ( thus 1 lost Leg ).
As I've been Planning the Build for close to a year now, and after Building a few Race Cars, knowing first hand what Safety I'll need to Design into her, and being a Perfectionist, I would hope that the Finished Product will be capable of fulfilling my High expectations.
She may be a bit Faster than the Standard 1750 GT Veloce, with over Double the Hp, but as I intend to Develop the Bugs out of Her through Club Racing her I hope she'll be Fast Enough to Raise a few Eyebrows.
She'll be Engineered through an Engineer Listed on the VicRoads Engineers List, so will be Roadworthy, and Comply to a Bucket Load of their Rules and Regulations, all Intended to make Modified Cars Safe and Roadworthy for every day Road Use.
This alone will cost me a Motza $$$$$.
Great to hear your Interest.
 

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I want to hitch on for the "ride"! More photos the better!

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Currently in the search for a Wrecked Maserati 4200 Coupe or Spyder to Import to use Components from - preferably RHD - if anyone is aware of any with an undamaded Rear End and Engine Bay I'd be happy to hear from you, Thanks.
Hi there! Found some Maserati 4200 breaking in Singapore. They have 4 unit at the moment I believe (as the website says)

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They're new arrival lists with the 4 unit Maserati 4200 above: http://www.propel-auto.com/newArrivals.php.

Hope it helps, all the best with it:cool:
 

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Thanks for that Info Dra1750.

I've emailed them with a request for further Information, as the 2nd and 3rd Pics may be suitable cantidates for what I need, depending on the Kilometers Covered, Condition of Undercariage, and of course, their Cost, and then Getting them Shipped from Singapore to Melbourne, Australia.

Will let you know how it progresses, so thanks again for the help.
 
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