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'95 164LS, 79,000 miles - car is sold

Car is sold, bought by an ABB member and at its new home in Colorado
Hi All,
I am lowering the price a bit to $6500. I've had lots of interest but very little followthrough so before I go to CL, EBay and such, thought I'd try again with this community to find my LS a good home.
I have had a comment that the tbelt is getting near end of life (~29k miles, ~6 yrs since replacement) and though my mechanic does not think it's an issue, I respect the comment and hope this price reduction will give enough relief for the purchaser to do the belt if they wish. I could also have my shop replace the belt but for that I would hold the original price of $7200


With a bit of trepidation and reluctance, I’m selling my 1995 164LS. I bought it here in 2009 from fellow member sjmst. I brought it to the left coast and have driven it about 29,000 miles since purchased. Need to shed this one to make room and some funds to assist the completion of my GT junior redo.
Looks like I’m the 4th or 5th owner based on the materials I’ve been provided. Most everything from a copy of the original Monroney window sticker on through the most recent work detailed below is documented.
Still in great condition, properly maintained by a AR specialty shop when needed and about as clean as you’ll find. Runs fast and firm, a great grand tourer with a lot of ‘sport’ mixed in. Now to the details (a lot of which I’ll plagiarize from the 2009 trade / sale post from where I purchased…):
Asking Price: was $7,200, now asking $6500
Miles: ~79,000
Black/Black, 5speed, 3L 24V
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Photos @ flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157648339523413/ take a look there and if there are others you want, ask and they will post there.
Located in SF Bay Area, CA

  • 17” wheels w Falken Z1EX 225/45 17’s with ~19k miles on them w/ lots of life left
  • Squadra chip
  • B&G springs
  • Goats repaired LCD HVAC display – all works and legible
  • Invisible bra at leading edge of hood – no stone chips there as a result
  • One small seam split in FL seat, professionally repaired and unnoticeable
  • Headliner redone and flawless
  • Original owner manuals, tools, keys, alarm fobs included (never could figure out how to program/reset for the fobs though)
  • Original AM/FM/Cassette unit with 6 disc changer in trunk. All operable though the speakers are old and crap (usable and OK with me – I like hearing the 24V music) and should be replaced
  • Dash is 10/10 – no cracks, no fading or warping, interior is 9or10/10, exterior
is probably 8or9/10 (I’m picky)

Things not working, not working right or maybe in need of attention (most from the PO’s list and have not been an issue, some added by me over time):
• DS front seat heater switch ‘iffy’ – mostly does not work, sometimes the display icon will come on but I don’t sense heat. Never need that where I am so never bothered with it
• Small ‘dimples’ in DS front seat bottom, kind of back right corner. Leather is not jeopardized at all and I think it’s just a normal defect expected in cow hides (PO thought it may be from former owners, keys in pocket sort of thing). I say not.
• Misc minor dings (you’ll see not really noticeable when visiting the photos)
• Bottom cladding – at rear valance – ‘nubby’ paint is wearing off a bit in spots. Not a big issue and with the black material, not too noticeable.
• Small bubble areas where paint is failing / peeling on front bumper. ~1”x2” area and base material is black so not too noticeable but would eventually warrant a respray
• PO says was rearended lightly about a year before I acquired. Professionally repaired with new bumper cover, paint, aluminum strip via PO (I have receipts). Good job, not any noticeable difference from surrounding areas.
• Refrigerant lasts about 1-1.5 seasons per charge. Must be slow leak somewhere but the charge can be done easily at a low cost so has been no big deal to me.
• HVAC controls all work as intended though the link to the heater flap door must be disconnected (under dash?). I’ve read here on the BB kind of a pain to R&R. My solution has been to adjust to my liking based on season by moving the actuator arm behind the false firewall a bit to provide more, less or no hot air to the cabin. Again, I’m in a very mild climate
with minimal seasonal swings so not been an issue.
• Seat height adjustment function does not work well. Teeth or belt(?) stripped or jumped? Front/back/seatback tilt all fully functional otherwise
• PO represented hood repainted at time of adding the invisibra (looks great)
• Trunk lifting gas struts getting tired – need assistance to raise the trunk fully but holds it there once opened
• Stone chip very top edge of L headlight lens.

I think that’s about it for the ‘defects’ etc. list. If not on this list, assume all else in good/very good to perfect condition but feel free to ask on specific things of interest or concern. Now on to things done since purchase:
• Smog check and registration done 1/14. Engine runs cleaner than my newer supposedly low emissions vehicles (Mini, Audi 2L)
• Steering rack replaced w/ properly rebuilt unit. Rock solid (aligned too) 5/14
• Fuel pump inc pump relays, Oil sensor unit replaced 5/13
• Brake Master Cylinder, Clutch Slave cylinder + hose 12/11
• Fan wiring harness, temp sensor, A arms replaced 3/11
• Plugs + tune, RR window regulator replacement, O2 sensor, transaxle fluid changed 3/10
• Serpentine belt, T-belt, bypass hoses, water pump replaced 3/09 (@ 50,100mi).
That’s about it. A fun car that gets smiles and comments by those both in the know and clueless as to what it is and a very good example of the last year and low volume US spec ’95 164.
Let the tire kicking begin!
 

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Actually the PO did not replace the belt etc prior to selling. That's why I thought it prudent to do after purchasing.
 

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SJMST here, the PO of this car. Fabulous LS, glad current owner enjoyed it. It is a beauty and really well sorted, if I do say so myself. I sweated little things like having custom made repros of underhood sticker done, and springs to level out the A** in the air stance of LS’s. If it is the same shape as when I sold it (and seems to be) it should be a no disappointments car, GLWS.
 

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Hi Sam!
Thanks for the note and of course I kept it in good sort. No shortcuts from me.

Hi stefmiesterb,
Asking is $7200
 

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Thanks for the complement and good wish.
Oddly quiet though - not like this group :grin2:
 

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I sold my Q to guy from Texas who'd never heard of the BB. Advertised on both Hemmings and eBay; nothing beats eBay for exposure.
 

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I just got an email this morning from a prospective buyer who is trying to contact you about this 164LS. He can't seem to get his alfabb log on to work and he thinks he also found this car on classicitaliancarsforsale web site.

PM me and I can give you his name and email. I do not know this person he just found my contact info and emailed me.
 

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Hi alfafaninNY,
I'll see if there are identifiers tonight and let you know if so. Came on the car when bought.

I just got an email this morning from a prospective buyer who is trying to contact you about this 164LS. He can't seem to get his alfabb log on to work and he thinks he also found this car on classicitaliancarsforsale web site.

PM me and I can give you his name and email. I do not know this person he just found my contact info and emailed me.
Hi Steve, PM reply sent
 

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I just got an email this morning from a prospective buyer who is trying to contact you about this 164LS. He can't seem to get his alfabb log on to work and he thinks he also found this car on classicitaliancarsforsale web site.

PM me and I can give you his name and email. I do not know this person he just found my contact info and emailed me.
Ha, I wrote that Classic Italian Cars For Sale post. First the blue/black LS in CA, then this car - it's taking a lot to keep me out of these clean LS cars!
 

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Hi Sam,
Yes, Steve gave me info a couple weeks ago and Leslie and are continuing a discussion.
Thanks for the heads-up.

PS - Leslie is a woman. You made same erroneous assumption I made!
 

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Bump - If you're going to look at rubytron's LS, you gotta look at mine!:laugh:
 

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bump again. For the weekend viewer and the approaching summer drive season.
Feeling a bit unloved at the moment and my wife says I need to communicate more.
If no interest here, I'll be forced to eBay and Craigslist. Cringing already.
 
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