From Coys website:
"A copy of the estratto cronologico, issued by the Reale Automobile Club d'Italia, sheet number 12098, confirms Count Trossi of Gaglianico as the first owner of chassis 915041 at a price of 79,500 Italian Lire. A later, post-war estratto cronologico, issued by the Bologna office of the Reale Automobile Club d'Italia, confirms that this very car was sold to Luigi (Gigi) Platé on 11th October 1946. Gigi Platé was a very successful racing driver, and it is believed that he used chassis 915041 for various local events, competing against such legends as Franco Cortese, who competed a record 14 times in the Mille Miglia. One of Platé's successes was a respectable 4th in the over 1,100 cc class at the 1946 Circuito di Luino race, which was won by Cortese in his Lancia Astura.
By the 1950s the car was in regular road use with a new Swiss owner, a certain Mr Heinrich Saredi of KŸssnacht am Rigi, at the wheel. It changed hands again, passing to Mr Alois Peyer of the same town; both owners are documented in an official statement from the Swiss Generalstab. The car remained in Switzerland until the 1980s, when it was owned by a Mr Tognazzo and also a Mr Meyer. The restoration of the car began at the start of the 1990s. As the car's original body had been lost by the late 1950s, the restoration was completed with the re-clothing of the rebuilt chassis using an original Touring body from another 6C, a Tipo 256 Corsa Spyder. This body was located in South America, having been removed and saved when the Tipo 256 was re-bodied in the early post-war years. Copies of photographs when the body arrived from South America are on file, and additional louvres cut into the front can still be seen on the car today. The body was carefully restored before being fitted in 1999 and the result of this search for authenticity is a car which, as well as having all correct major chassis components, also carries the original Touring body of a sister car.
Following this amazingly painstaking rebuild the car stunned spectators when it made its post-restoration debut on the 2000 Mille Miglia retrospective. The original Touring lines, being amongst the most stylish of pre-war designs, still generate a reaction with their flowing style and aerodynamic references. This important pre-war Alfa Romeo is mentioned in the authoritative book on the subject, Alfa Romeo 2500 6C by Angelo Tito Anselmi.
Finished in a dark shade of racing red with a light tan leather interior, this car offers stunning levels of both style and performance for a pre-war design and would be very suitable for another running of the Mille Miglia as well as many prestigious events around the world. Offered with current, British-issued FIA papers and various documentation."
It would be amazing if this car really had an original 256 body as stated above. Does anyone know about this?
Hi 6ccorsa and other members,I look forward to their reply too!
The blurb does mention that they have photos of the original body, but that doesn't of course mean that this is the body in the photos.
I hope to get down there and see it in the flesh.
Nother point about the triple carb conversion is that it is something that many would have fitted to a car like this even in the early post war period and it isn't at all out of place
What I don't know is what is the difference between a pre-war Tipo SS motor and a Tipo 256 motor. I haven't found an answer, even from Callagaris.Hi 6ccorsa and other members,
I would agree that a carb conversion is something that could have been done in the early post war years. Didn't we do the same with early Giulia's (from one carb to two carbs)?
Angelo Tito Anselmi states in his book 'Alfa Romeo 6C 2500' on page 30 that the compression ratio's of the Sport and Super Sport engines are different too. These are the figures:
Berlinetta Sport 1939: 7,5 : 1
Berlinetta Super Sport 1939: 8,0 : 1
And to be complete:
Limousine Turismo 1939: 7,0 : 1
Berlina Tourismo 1939: 7,0 : 1
Torpedo Coloniale 1941: 7,0 : 1
Berlina Sport 1947: 7,0 : 1 (Freccia d' Oro)
Coupe Super Sport 1947: 7,5 : 1
Limousine Tourismo 1949: 7,0 : 1
Berlina Sport 1950: 7,3 : 1 (Freccia d' Oro)
Coupe Gran Turismo 1951: 7,5 : 1
So changing the carbs on an original engine doesn't make the car a Super Sport yet. Any additions, suggestions and comments on that?
What I don't know is what is the difference between a pre-war Tipo SS motor and a Tipo 256 motor. I haven't found an answer, even from Callagaris.
Haven't heard back from Coys as yet...
...your personal message box is full, so ...
Your tuppence are noted and appreciated. I thought carefully before posting and I will leave it up a bit longer. Sorry about that!
I have taken Stu to task in private a few times and he just will not learn that he's got some incorrect thinking locked in his head. It shouldn't be up to me to be one to try to help him fix it. I'm not the only one, mind you, if you check a number of his postings and certain responses. But, if these are going to be meaningful discussions, they should not be distracted by too much garbage. And that is precisely what his earlier posting was. When he removes or modifies his text that is problematic, then I will remove my references that show his comments for what they are.
I also believe that we should all be able to study something without having to own it or think seriously about owning it, but Stu risks burning bridges for all of us when he goes off on such a poorly researched Quixotic tirade. I am merely attempting to show him some of what his response is likely to trigger.
John de Boer
I think one aspect that helped the price is the fact that the car has FIA papers and has done the Mille Miglia re-run and would be eligible again.There must have been enough "real" aspects about the car to satisfy the new owner, who paid roughly $730,000.00 for the privilege! Although for that matter, the 8C "Evocazione" went for roughly $830,000.00. Go figure.
I applaud John's subtle approach to fact finding on these old cars. A bombastic, aggressive inquiry will only cause the current owners to clam up. I for one am perfectly happy to shut up and learn something, and be thankful that some of the knowledgeable contributors are generous enough to share their knowledge.