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Hi,

I did post earlier this year a few comments on some posts but now it's time for me to introduce my project. The title of this subject would have been "74 GT1300junior - Reassembling and "light" restoration project" but having seen on this BB what restoration is and what it takes... I chose a title somewhat less pretentious

I planned of talking of my project on some French forums and I did find a lot of information and some very good experts of the Giulia GT cars but most of the time the posts are endless talk about other things making the information difficult to retrieve amongst the “chitchat”.
That is why I’m taking the risk of posting here on the Alfa BB even if my English is not good enough… let’s say that I hope that our common interest for some Italian beauties will make things easier for the understanding.
Sorry for the mistakes I make when writing in English, I hope I'll not be offending or rude.

I bought in December a GT1300junior that was disassembled by the previous owner in order to have the car repainted (at least that is what I was told). The seller didn't have time to finish the project as he has other things to deal with such as a Lancia Fulvia and a job change that implies to move to another city.

When visiting/seeing the car I was pretty much confident in the state of the body (very little rusty spots and virtually very few to be done on the body... maybe we'll have the opportunity to talk about this some day).
I knew the car has to be reassembled and I'm not sure I have all the parts of the jigsaw but I'm willing to do it... as I do have some time and a lot of patience :rolleyes:

Well I bought the car for a fair price and it comes with 2 engines (both 1300) and 2 gearboxes (also both 1300).

I brought the car back to Paris where I live (a 800km drive... about 500 miles) and I stored it for a while in order to finish arranging the garage where I'll be working on the car. The garage is now ready!
I won't be alone on this project as my wife's father will be helping. The man is very excited about this project as he owned 4 of the GT bertone in his "young age"... he likes to tell how he met my wife's mother with his Giallo Ocra 1750 GT and told her that in order to cross the street she'll have to climb in his car (he was parked on the pedestrian crossing and to be honest it was not that simple as he had met the girl earlier in the building she was living in and already had a little chat with her...).

Let's go back to the GT1300Junior. It was originally white, the car comes from Germany and was bought by the previous owner who repainted it in Rosso Alfa 501 (color to be confirmed as I'm not sure about the degree of craftsmanship of the "painter").
The car still has the German paperwork and I'll have to change this but even if paperwork in France are a pain it is much easier now that we have EEC (European Economic Community).

I finally started "working" on the car last weekend:
- First an inventory of what I need. Not finished yet and my guess is that it is far from being finished (yes I do speak of the inventory because for the entire project...:eek:).
- Then I started to clean up the engine a little as it was covered with grease, grit and crap.

Anyway I know that I won’t do a tenth of what Rossano, akitaman and some other on this BB do as I don’t have their abilities but I still want to share a little (and get some info also :D).

Enough talking, here are a few pictures…

packed (after negociating with the seller)


on the way back to Paris


moving to my "garage"




at home in the "garage"






 

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It looks like a pretty car in the pictures. Do keep us posted and fill us in on the 'rest of the story'!
It looks like you'll have a very nice Bertone when it's done. And kudos on finding a project you can share with your father in-law!
Cheers.
 

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Pics of today about the engine quick cleaning (I'll make a deeper clean later)



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I also have one question : Is it possible to remove the water pump without removing the pulley?
If the answer is yes, then where/what is the trick...?

Thanks in advance for your replies
 

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xanderg;1001881g said:
Is it possible to remove the water pump without removing the pulley?
Yes - Double nut and remove each of the small studs that attach the pump.

If you end up removing the pulley, don't forget the locking tab on the pulley washer. Once the nut is off, you'll then need a puller to remove the pulley. If you go this route, you may as well replace the front seal while you're at it.
 

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Yes - Double nut and remove each of the small studs that attach the pump.

If you end up removing the pulley, don't forget the locking tab on the pulley washer. Once the nut is off, you'll then need a puller to remove the pulley. If you go this route, you may as well replace the front seal while you're at it.
Thank you for this answser Brad!
I'll try it this weenkend, also I'll read the 7 pages of posts on your project : A 69 GTV Restoration in Texas

Brad's answer made me think of all the grease I removed from the front of the engine (see the pics before cleaning)... I wonder if the front seal around the pulley is not broken or at least leaking :confused:
 

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I'll try it this weekend, also I'll read the 7 pages of posts on your project
Thanks but I'm nowhere near as far along as yours. It looks like you bought into a fairly easy project - all the hard stuff is done.

Since you bought the car disassembled, and did not see how it came apart, you might think about getting a CarDisc for your GTJ. They have ALL the factory manuals regarding each model and are indispensable when it comes to reassembly. They're worth every penny!

There's a wealth of information on this board and you'll find the members to be most helpful. Welcome aboard!
 

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I can help you quite a lot perhaps. Im in South East England just a 2 hour train ride away. Looking at that engine it needs a full strip check & rebuild. I built my GTJ from scratch & it took me 6 years in my spare time of which I originally planned a 18 month build time. Classic Alfa & Alfaholics are great. I also have a van! Send me a pm if you want some help.
 

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Welcome to our AlfaBB Xanderg....you've come to the right BB (and the Best Forum). You've also picked up a very clean looking Junior as well from what we see....I would say you're very lucky to have found it restored to the very nice condition that we see...many of are aiming to get our projects to very point that you're at now. You'll get lots of feedback, assistance and encouragement from all the GT enthusiasts here on almost any technical aspect of these cars. So keep those photos coming....we'll be with you all the way!
 

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Thankyou to all of you for welcoming and nice words!
My guess is that we'll have time to talk and get to "know" each other :D

Since you bought the car disassembled, and did not see how it came apart, you might think about getting a CarDisc for your GTJ. They have ALL the factory manuals regarding each model and are indispensable when it comes to reassembly. They're worth every penny!

There's a wealth of information on this board and you'll find the members to be most helpful. Welcome aboard!
I wonder what kind of information is in the CarDVD but if you say it is useful and worth the money then I will order one!
Thanks for the advice Brad!

I can help you quite a lot perhaps. Im in South East England just a 2 hour train ride away. Looking at that engine it needs a full strip check & rebuild. I built my GTJ from scratch & it took me 6 years in my spare time of which I originally planned a 18 month build time. Classic Alfa & Alfaholics are great. I also have a van! Send me a pm if you want some help.
Thanks for your offer Keith!
It is very nice of you and I'll consider it seriously.
Right now I'm in the very easy part... I mean inventory, cleaning, organising things (organising the parts, organising the garage and also organising myself).

I know Classic Alfa and Alfaholics for 5 months now as I've been intensively searching parts/availbilities/prices on these webistes (and a few others...). One thing has been bothering me for a while now about Alfaholics but as I wasn't ready to start placing my orders for parts I didn't put too much energy in sorting this point. My question that might seem stupid but I'll ask anyway... How do you place an order with Alfaholics as there is no "BUY" button to be clicked and no "shopping cart"?

Welcome to our AlfaBB Xanderg....you've come to the right BB (and the Best Forum). You've also picked up a very clean looking Junior as well from what we see....I would say you're very lucky to have found it restored to the very nice condition that we see...many of are aiming to get our projects to very point that you're at now. You'll get lots of feedback, assistance and encouragement from all the GT enthusiasts here on almost any technical aspect of these cars. So keep those photos coming....we'll be with you all the way!
Hi Rossano! Good to hear from you as I didn't get much info about your AFrench Blue '69 GTV Restoration for a while now...
How is your project going?
Any chance to get an update soon?

About your comment, I'm sure there is plenty of specialists/enthusiasts that can be a great help ;)
I will try to keep the pics coming!

Today I did manage to remove the water pump by unscrewing the studs... acutally I only unscrewed 3 and then realised that removing 1 was enough to free the water pump (the one stud marked with red arrow gave me enough clearance to remove the pump).



I guess I know the answer already but do I need to change the water pump?



Other question : I saw this post by Rich about rebuilding a Burman steering box...
Do you advise to do it now that the box is easy to access?

If the answer is yes then where can I find gaskets, shims and O-ring? (for the gasket Rich says to make my own but I don't "feel" it very well...).


Here is few pics of my Burman steering box.









About the "rebuild" we'll talk about it again I think :confused:
 

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I wonder what kind of information is in the CarDVD
Here's the list from my 1750 GTV CarDisc:

Owner's Manuals
..1750 GTV Owner's Manual supplement (Euro)
..1969 Spider-GTV-Berlina Owner's Manual (USA)
..1971 Spider-GTV-Berlina Owner's Manual (USA)

Parts Manuals
..1750 Body Parts Manual (Euro)
..1750 Mechanical & Electrical Parts Manual (Euro)
..1750 Spider-GTV Parts Manual (USA)
..Bodywork Tools Catalog
..Giulia, 1300,1600,1750, & 2000 Parts Catalog
..Performance Option Catalog 1969
..Performance Option Catalog 1971
..Special Tools Catalog

Sales Brochures
..Too many to list (27)

Shop Manuals
..Fuel Injection Manuals
....1969 Fuel Injection Manual
....1971 Fuel Injection Manual
..Weber Carburetor Manuals
....Weber Carburetor Calibration Settings
....Weber Carburetor Technical Introduction
....Weber DCOE Manual
..Wiring Diagrams
....1969 Wiring Diagram
....1971 Wiring Diagram
..1989 Spider Manual (For reference only)
..ATE Brake Manual #1
..ATE Brake Manual #2
..Body Manual
..Electrical Charging System
..Engine-Transmission-Clutch Manual
..Rear Axle-Suspension-Driveshaft Manual
..Wheel Alignment manual & Specs #1
..Wheel Alignment manual & Specs #2

Technical Specifications & Bulletins
..1750 USA Technical Bulletins
..Giulia 105 Series Service Bulletins
..Tool Bulletins

(for the gasket Rich says to make my own but I don't "feel" it very well...)
Making a gasket is pretty simple. Watch:
I'd use real gasket material which is readily available.
 

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Classic alfa do on line ordering also highwood. Canada and us is going to cost u in postage.
Thanksfor the answer Keith but remember I live in Paris/France. Anyway I have no idea of the cost of the postage (it depends on the weight and size I guess but for example what can I expect for a complete exhaust...? I'll make one simulation ot get a quote!).

Any idea for ordering on Alfaholics?

Above I took the example of the exhaust because I need a complete one and I wonder what I should take... Let me explain.

The exhaust is one of he very few parts that I can still find on the autoparts websites (the regular ones, not those dedicated to "old" Alfas). Not sure of the quality of the parts and I saw that on ClassicAlfa I can get a complete Imasaf exhaust for a decent price. I might be wrong but I understand that Imasaf used to be a supplier for Alfa Romeo and you can find some Imasaf exhaust as OE in our cars.

My question is, does IMASAF make poor/decent/good exhausts today?


Some pics of the engines (both 1300), guess which one I'll put in my car...:confused:








The other engine I'll think about it but for the moment I'm thinking of trying to "exchange" it for a 1600 as I'd like to have a little more powerful engine and more torque. But I'd like to stay "junior".
A I said, I'll see much later as the idea right now is to have the car "restarted" with it's original engine and I'll do the optimisations once I know what is right and what needs to be improved (I know some of you think that pretty much everything needs to be imporved on a car (especially a 1300 junior)).

Tomorrow will be the cleaning of the gearbox and I'll also continue my "inventory"
 

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...but I'll try to "exchange" it for a 1600 as I'd like to have a little more powerful engine and more torque. But I'd like to stay "junior".
Please keep in mind that the Series 4 Unificato Juniors, like you have, were available with either a 1300 engine (model 10530S) OR a 1600 engine (model 11534). So you would still have a Junior with a 1600 engine.

I have sent you a private message.
 

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Please keep in mind that the Series 4 Unificato Juniors, like you have, were available with either a 1300 engine (model 10530S) OR a 1600 engine (model 11534). So you would still have a Junior with a 1600 engine.
Hi papajam, thanks for your message!
Sorry I wasn't clear... what papajam explained is EXACTLY what I meant!
I wanted to say that by upgrading from 1300 to 1600 I'd stay "junior" which wouldn't be the case if I upgrade to 1750 or 2000.
In my case an upgrade to a 1600 engine sounds like a good "compromise" (does this word make sense).
 

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Xanderg,

As one that has ordered a disgusting amount of parts from alfaholics in the past year I can say that ordering from them is easy and delightful. They have made a science out of packing and shipping and are amazing to deal with. Their products are top notch.

All you have to do is email max a list of parts you want to order.

[email protected]

Max will send you and invoice and Jim will organize and pack the pieces expertly. I called max one time to give my credit card number. All other exchanges have been done through email. Please PM me if you have any questions at all.

Your car looks great.

Jonathan
 

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Xanderg,

As one that has ordered a disgusting amount of parts from alfaholics in the past year I can say that ordering from them is easy and delightful. They have made a science out of packing and shipping and are amazing to deal with. Their products are top notch.

All you have to do is email max a list of parts you want to order.

[email protected]

Max will send you and invoice and Jim will organize and pack the pieces expertly. I called max one time to give my credit card number. All other exchanges have been done through email. Please PM me if you have any questions at all.

Your car looks great.

Jonathan

Thankyou Jonathan!

Now I get it.
I thought I was too stupid to find the shopping cart on Alfaholics website but it is even more simple... finally it works the old way, except that internet replaces the paper catalog.
 

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Does anybody feel like playing jigsaw puzzle? :eek:



... and I have more for those who fear to be bored :D

Gearboxes



After some cleaning



Questions :
- Do I need to get a new support for the gearbox or can this one be re used (after being straightened... although I don't know which shape it is supposed to have).
- I'll change the bushing but is it in the right position because on my other gearbox it has the "main hole" on the bottom? (not sure to be clear on this point...)

 

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Good Morning Xanderg,

The support is for the exhaust system, it should be fine being straightened.

The correct position for the rear support bushing (main hole) oriented to the bottom.

Keep up the good work...
 

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Good Morning Xanderg,

The support is for the exhaust system, it should be fine being straightened.

The correct position for the rear support bushing (main hole) oriented to the bottom.

Keep up the good work...

Sorry I wasn't clear again...
I'm talking about the support in the red rectangle and the "bending" I mention is noticed with the pink line I drew on the picture... My understanding is this is not the right position and it needs to be straightened.

OK for the bushing!
So the "main hole" should be approximately in the position marked with a red circle.

 
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