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Hi, does anyone have any history or photographs on any 6C 1750 (or indeed any pre WWII / early post wwii) Alfa Romeos in Africa please. I am especially interested in two cars that were in Kenya, #10814361 and #121215044

I can't seem to post links to the relavant pages on my website on classic cars in Rhodesia though

Many thanks

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I can't seem to post links to the relavant pages on my website on classic cars in Rhodesia though
Welcome to AlfaBB. I believe mods or admins recently changed the AlfaBB settings so that new users cannot post links before they have minimum number of (10?) posts in order to prevent spam attacks.

I can't wait to learn more about Alfas in Africa (and Rhodesia).
 

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Thanks Tubut, I have been a member for a while but not used the forum for some years so missed the change - No worries search Classic Cars in Rhodesia in google and you will find the site.

Cheers Wayne
 

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Oh, yes -- I see you joined in 2007.

For everybody's benefit, the web page about Alfas in Rhodesia can be found here.
 

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There were two 6C 1750s Gran Sport's in South Africa until a few years ago, one belonged to the late Dr Hugh Gearing, it was a 2 seater body of English origin, approximating the bodies on the 8C 2900 cars. It went to England and was fully restored, being changed from red and black to black and tan

The other was something quite unique, a stunningly gorgeous little Coupé made by Figoni as the 1933 Paris Show Car. It was owned by the late Waldi Greyvenstein. This little gem went to a well known and well respected collector in Canada where it was fully rebuilt by RX Coachworks changing from 2 tone blue into the '33 Paris colours of black\cream and tan and subsequently swept the floor with everything else at Ville de Este.

I will have to look up the chassis numbers, but there's a thread on the Figoni Coupé on this board. Just do a thread search.

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Hi Greig

I take it the Gearing car you mention is 01312901 - Re Waldie's car, I did not know it had left SA, thanks - I don't have its chassis number. Is the Canadian Collector the ex South African who also had/has a 2900B Coupe?

There is another car in SA that I think is a 1750, was owned by Peter Hunt for many years and is now in Jhb area, again I don't have a chassis number.

I used to live in PE, nice place.

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Re Waldie's car, I did not know it had left SA, thanks - I don't have its chassis number. Is the Canadian Collector the ex South African who also had/has a 2900B Coupe?
Yes. David Cohen finally was able to buy the Figoni (he had tried for 35 years) after he sold the 2900. The thread about the car's restoration can be found here (and a nice PDF file that explains how the car came to South Africa can be found here).
 

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Thanks Tubut, I have just been reading the thread, great rebuilt, well done to David.

Thanks too for the pdf file

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Hi Wayne

Ruedi is correct, David sold the 2900 to facilitate buying the Paris from Waldi's estate. Rudi Greyvenstein still has quite a number of the collection, including Waldi's beloved Hispano-Suiza. The rest of the collection ended up in the Franschoek Motor Museum Welcome to Franschhoek Motor Museum - FMM.

The other pre war Alfa you mentioned - I think it's a 1500 Testa Fissa, but I have never seen the car.

PE has the best cycling roads in SA !!

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Thanks Greig, did not know about the cycling roads, best I managed was up Cape Road from Central to Taybank and Lorraine.

I think you may be right re the 1500 model, as soon as I am allowed to post links I will put up a pic for you.

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David sold the 2900 to facilitate buying the Paris from Waldi's estate.
I don't think David sold the 2900 to buy the Figoni (there are other cars he could have sold). My impression is that he sold the 2900 because he started to worry about its worth, which cut into his driving enjoyment. It is my understanding that the Figoni became available quite a bit (2-5 years?) later.
 

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Alfa Romeo 6C in Africa

An incomplete listing based on incomplete notes gathered over many years:

motore 6C0111094 in a car that came from Eritrea to the USA during the 1960's.
motore 6C0212666 from Africa to the USA
chassis 6C0212775 reputedly used in South Africa. No documentation seen. Also to USA.

6C0312870 (without engine) Sold 1950's from Eritrea to the UK.
motore 6C0312870 sold from Eritrea to the USA
6C0312898 in Eritrea from 1937 to 1963 circa. Then to USA
6C0312901 in South Africa as of 1950 (and reputedly as early as 1936). Sold 2008 to USA.
6C0312961 in Asmara by 1943. 1950 to GB and later to USA, etc.

6C8513005 lived 1960's (at a minimum) in South Africa
6C8513085 reportedly sold 1950's or later from Eritrea to the USA.
6C8513087 in Eritrea as of the 1930's. Later to Peter Hunt in South Africa.

6C8613206 in Eritrea during 1930's. Sold 1952 to GB.
motore 6C8613415 sold from Eritrea to Alfa Romeo

6C10814324 in Eritrea 1930's to 1940's. Perhaps to USA?
6C10814361 went 1937 to Mogadiscio and then by the 1960's to Kenya. Later to UK.
6C10814387 (also reported as "6C10814382") in Africa as of the 1960's.

motore 6C10914532 from Eritrea to the USA in another chassis

motore 6C101014909 (engine at a minimum) in a car sold 1940's from Eritrea to Sweden.

6C121215044 ... heavily accident damaged or otherwise decrepit, became a mechanical donor to the repair of 6C10814361.
6C121215054 ... already discussed
6C121315155 or 6C121315255 in Eritrea 1930's to 1963 circa. Sold to USA.
motore 6C121315241 sold from Eritrea to Alfa Romeo.

Some additional details are known but I've edited some details as being unimportant to a casual and incomplete review.

There are several additional cars that can be seen in period photographs that do not seem to be described by any of the chassis numbers shared here. There is a lot to learn!
 

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Wow thanks iicar John, One or two I have heard of before.

I was sent a photo of an Ethiopian car some time back, will get it onto here as soona s I can. Looks to have been somewhat modified.

Nice photos of the industrial architecture too Alleggerita, stuff I had not seen before.

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1935 in northern Africa

During 1935, Mussolini's Italy invaded northern Africa. It was not a truly difficult task, as the people there were largely quite peaceful. They'd not previously experienced the ways of the West.

Italy's invasion of northern Africa did not sit well with some other countries. As a result, there were sanctions and blockades that resulted from a group of countries that would later become known generically as "The Allies". This was perhaps a part of the reason why Mussolini felt there was no choice but to become allied with Hitler's Germany during World War II?

Regardless of the "big picture", a large number of Italians faced mandatory military service in Northern Africa ... as it became known as "A.O.I" (Africa Orientale Italiana) to the Italian people who were called to serve there. A number of these folks were of Italian nobility who'd raced previously in Italy. They took their cars to Africa as part of their service. As a result, a good number of cars that are interesting to us today became part of the landscape of northern Africa for at least a limited time period.

Beginning 1937, the Italian system of licensing became adopted in northern Africa. Hence, there are quite a number of Italian cars that became registered in A.O.I. once their owners were assigned to various posts in the area. Until the outbreak of WWII, this sort of service was not particularly dangerous. A good number of cars were modified rather casually ... and then some of them became modified rather more dramatically. Each story is its own.

As Italy was driven out of northern Africa during WWII, the interesting cars were found and appropriated by various Allied forces, largely British and American. Hence, many of the most interesting cars were sent to the UK and to the USA during the 15 to 20 years that followed WWII.
 

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Well, I am looking for more information about a Lancia that was ordered new in 1939 by the importer in Asmara.
It also went to the US in 1955.

The historical section of the Italian number plate registration in Rome is missing after a reorganization... or does anybody know where to find it?
And what is the chance to find the registration in the US?
All I know is the chassis number, make and model. And the year it went to America, according to the story..

Any help would be appreciated!

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Lancia, ex-Asmara to USA circa 1955

Hello IMario,

I guess we know something now, based on your description of a Lancia car that was imported 1939 (when new?) to Asmara and sold 1955(?) to the USA. Until you share something more about the car's specific identity and what you know specifically of the history, I really cannot suggest a generic research path at this time. I believe there may be some archives for plate numbers from Asmara (Eritrea) that are not easily accessible, but I've not yet found the pathway to do studies base on Eritrean license plate numbers. That said, I have collected some information (not just Alfa Romeo-centric) that I would like to study further and hope to find a study path one day. I'd be happy to add your Lancia interest to the larger study. I will keep the info private if you like. And, thank you for the private message using Dutch. Unfortunately, I do not know Dutch even though my father was born in Amsterdam. I speak some Spanish (learned in school many years ago and used only occasionally) and I believe I am a bit better at Italian ... having learned most of it in Italy over many lengthy trips beginning 1986. Si puo provare l'Italiano se la preferisce.

Ho gia' notizie su una Lambda con una targa dal 1937.

Anche una Dilambda targata forse nel 1938.

Anche anu Pentaiota targata nel ottobre 1938.

Anche una Astura targata verso 1939/40.

Anche un'altra Astura (forse un'altra ... in forma diversa) targata nella dopoguerra.

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When I lived in Addis Ababa all the barbers were Italians, go figure. I wouldn't think they would be the most accepted nationality in Ethiopia. Either way I always hoped I'd see a pre war or even post war Alfa while I was over there but alas I never did.
 

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I think I may have something you may be interested in, and I'd appreciate the identification. my grandpa SGT James Edward Day was stationed in Asmara in kagnew station from 57-58. he bought this car, hot rodded it(with the help of a jolly old italian man he said, haha), and raced it around quite alot. he claimed it was an alfa, or had an alfa inline 8. I think this info may have been gotten mixed up and twisted by the time it went from him, to my dad, to me. it doesnt really look like an alfa. when he finished his service, he wanted to take it home, but couldnt, so he sold it to a guy at base, and never heard anything about it again. what is this thing? I'm new to all these cars, but the grille shell looks like it has a Lancia emblem? I have searched my butt off, and just happened to find this thread.
 

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