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Anybody else see a problem with this one ?
Anybody else see a problem with this one ?
'64 Giulia Veloce, real ?
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Ah, where to start... there's so much fishy about this one. Wrong vin#, wrong brake fluid reservoir, wrong emblems on fenders, wrong jack, no shroud over heater air inlet under hood, can't see air ducts behind left side of grill, etc., etc. I seriously doubt it's a Veloce, or even a 1964 anything.
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Not to mention a 2L motor and wrong blue metallic paint color.
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It is odd that the bidding is up pretty high for a Giulia without any obvious Veloce bits.
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That particular car might appeal to a buyer that is looking for a restored car just to drive around and look cool. The fact that is NOT what it was, or is reported to be, falls under "let-the-buyer-beware".
A BB lurker has contacted both Terry Rushbrook and I about a former race car converted to street that is a similar question. Is the car correct for the buyers intended enjoyment, or does he need a correctly restored car with no race history. Many buyers of the listed car may be very pleased, while George, Terry and myself might pick it apart. My own 65 1600 Spider Veloce is a SNO car of sorts, as it is an AUSCA Spider, with race history and full GTA running gear. It has been that way from 1966, an I am the original owner from new. It has never been restored. Part of it's interest IS the car as it is now, rather than just a 1965 1600 Veloce Giulia Spider.
So, not playing an advocate, we probably agree that money has been spent on the sale car, it has been saved, it COULD be re-restored to a 1600 Normale if a dead on restoration was desired, or it may be enjoyed as a driver just as is. Fortunately, the group of us here are not looking to buy this particular car, just commenting on what appears incorrect from it's original build. If a proud buyer showed up with it at my shop, I would NOT send him home. The best advice here would be for the potential buyer to discuss the car with those of us here that have commented, and see if that is the type of Alfa he really wants.
As usual, just my opinion.
A BB lurker has contacted both Terry Rushbrook and I about a former race car converted to street that is a similar question. Is the car correct for the buyers intended enjoyment, or does he need a correctly restored car with no race history. Many buyers of the listed car may be very pleased, while George, Terry and myself might pick it apart. My own 65 1600 Spider Veloce is a SNO car of sorts, as it is an AUSCA Spider, with race history and full GTA running gear. It has been that way from 1966, an I am the original owner from new. It has never been restored. Part of it's interest IS the car as it is now, rather than just a 1965 1600 Veloce Giulia Spider.
So, not playing an advocate, we probably agree that money has been spent on the sale car, it has been saved, it COULD be re-restored to a 1600 Normale if a dead on restoration was desired, or it may be enjoyed as a driver just as is. Fortunately, the group of us here are not looking to buy this particular car, just commenting on what appears incorrect from it's original build. If a proud buyer showed up with it at my shop, I would NOT send him home. The best advice here would be for the potential buyer to discuss the car with those of us here that have commented, and see if that is the type of Alfa he really wants.
As usual, just my opinion.
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I only wish dealers of cars were held accountable to disclose any anomolies of the cars they "handle" as are real estate agents on homes. I am not familiar with this dealer/broker/consigner but he is nested in a very well healed neighborhood and some person who hasn't had the time nor energy to study the nuiances of the marque will be smitten by the performance and the look of the car and will be more than likely do a trade with cash for his '59 Ford Falcon woodie his grandpa left to him. It's surprising how many regular customers these guys have that stop in practically weekly to window shop and wheel and deal and horse trade. The dealer does have a cool '67 Beetle I would trade something for... like maybe my Sprint and $100,000 cash.. his cash!
I have a feeling the true cash value or lack of will never be fully realized as it will live out it's life on the pages of Auto Trader next to the porn magazines at the 7-11 in the "Offers or interesting trades" column.
I have a feeling the true cash value or lack of will never be fully realized as it will live out it's life on the pages of Auto Trader next to the porn magazines at the 7-11 in the "Offers or interesting trades" column.
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Amen Uncle!
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There must be one word in Italian that sums up the meaning ---"the artist (Pinin Farina) would roll in his grave"--- they have a knack for that. In American English, we can only get it to a phrase--- "he screwed the pooch"
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dalla sua tomba, che suona così morboso! Non mi piace questa parola. it is like the word sobaco in Spanish, it sound so uglyYep, i think that Pininfarina dev'essersi rivoltato nella tomba ('would roll in his grave')
Anyway, it seems the the car is sold
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LOL I think that (grave - tomba) is a word that nobody likes
In any case the idiom implies something that in rhetorics might be called hyperbole or adynaton (impossible), that makes it very effective in both directions: a) it condemns an action or behavior forcing the author to compete with the best of the dead person: the word grave, tomba is therefor taken in it's meaning of 'monument', built up to celebrate the life of a man). Doing so, the idiom can (b) neutralize the perception of what is horrible in the word.
ps. 'Sobaco' (armpit, axilla) instead is a really ugly word and I think there is no retorical ways to take away the stink
The analysis can be carried further, but for now doctor OT has said enough
In any case the idiom implies something that in rhetorics might be called hyperbole or adynaton (impossible), that makes it very effective in both directions: a) it condemns an action or behavior forcing the author to compete with the best of the dead person: the word grave, tomba is therefor taken in it's meaning of 'monument', built up to celebrate the life of a man). Doing so, the idiom can (b) neutralize the perception of what is horrible in the word.
ps. 'Sobaco' (armpit, axilla) instead is a really ugly word and I think there is no retorical ways to take away the stink
The analysis can be carried further, but for now doctor OT has said enough
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But the doctor said it WELL! Thanks!
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I think you guys are being too hard on that car. Admittedly the dealer's write-up is hilarious (*) and they should have characterized it as an "abnormale" and not a Veloce. But clearly this was someone's "baby" at one time, much of the workmanship looks pretty good, and I'll bet it's a lot of fun to drive. Dunno what it sold for, but I'll bet it was well below the car's build cost.
* I especially liked the bit about: "The interior was special ordered from Alfa Romeo in Italy" Uh huh, Sergio is big into supplying parts for 50-year old cars.
* I especially liked the bit about: "The interior was special ordered from Alfa Romeo in Italy" Uh huh, Sergio is big into supplying parts for 50-year old cars.
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Jay, you're right. The rest of the saga goes like this--wealthy buyer shows his car off but then gets pimped to death by car guys who are in the know..he drives it until he can't take anymore abuse and then unloads it red-faced the following Spring. Enter Auto Trader.
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