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Yes, No, maybe $22k

To me the paint, if not original, looks original color. The upholstery on the other hand is most definitely NOT original, or an original color. The kits sold these days as supposedly original are waaaay too orange compared with what came on the cars in 1963. These re-upholstery kits seem to be becoming ubiquitous, though, so maybe people will forget what they remember and start deeming this color as acceptable:confused:. Although, this set seems particularly fit-challenged, as well.
Since its a normale, and kinda grubby underneath my bidding would end about 22k, tops.
 

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Less Tangerine

The original color would have been a cherrier red -- not so tangerine. I owned a couple 'back in the day' when they were young enough to have original upholstery that was still supple and unfaded, and they were red, albeit a bright red. Don't know why the color we see so much of today has taken over:(.
 

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I had one of this combination from new; bought it from Rezzaghi Motors in San Francisco in 1964. I too love it, and would love to find another nice one (this one is nice but is too early for me; still has drum brakes). It's true the red upholstery was less saturated in color than shown in the photo in eBay, but it's also possible that the color rendition of the photo is not correct.

I got a red re-upholstery kit from World Upholstery a couple of years ago for my current Spider (not gray) and the color seems to be very close to the red I had originally in my gray Spider.

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I had one of this combination from new; bought it from Rezzaghi Motors in San Francisco in 1964. I too love it, and would love to find another nice one (this one is nice but is too early for me; still has drum brakes). It's true the red upholstery was less saturated in color than shown in the photo in eBay, but it's also possible that the color rendition of the photo is not correct.

I got a red re-upholstery kit from World Upholstery a couple of years ago for my current Spider (not gray) and the color seems to be very close to the red I had originally in my gray Spider.

Jeffrey
which spider do you have?
 

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well guys all of the upholstery is original on seats and doors except for the seat bottoms, which were made by a local seat shop from alfa tex in original color as purchased from alfa originals about 13 years ago. the color is pimento. i spent years (actually over a decade) searching for the right vinyl tecture and color. when i purchased the car in '77 the seats had red covers on them. i took the covers off to reveal the original seats and to my surprise they were fine except for a crack in vinyl on drivers side seat bottom. i liked the original color better as it matched the original door panels. eventually i replaced the seat bottom once i found "identical" color match. so be assured. THESE ARE ORIGINAL COLORS. BTW check out the cover of ROAD &TRACK issues in 1959. There is a Guiletta in this color combo as photographed on a CAlifornia beach with a surfboard sticking out of the passenger footwell. i actually have that issue buried in a stack of alfa stuff. this will confirm you concerns about color. if you have seem a deeper red upholstry color on alfas of this color combo, they have been reupholstered. Come and look at the car or ask me any questions that you want. after 30 years of studying, working on and babying this car, i know these cars and this one in particular and will give you honest and even answers.
 

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oh yeah - that grubby bottom is how a 40 year old car bottom should look!
unless of course you used a toothbrush on it daily! check out that rear facing photo - look at the right rear subframe and you will see some shiny metal where someone looking at the car scrapped some undercoating off. on the right front a- arm you will see a horizontal scrape with a pocket knife which gets through the grunge and you can see the shiny - uncorroded forged part
sorry to sound defensive...but given cars i've seen this one is pretty ok if i have to say so myself. no it's not perfect, but it is quite authentic and has never been left outside to rust and cared for in a responsible and respectful way, and used rarely in the last 20 years. a lot of that grunge is garage dust. i didn't even airblast the bottom prior to photos. if you want a real un-molested, non disneyland reproduction/rebuild example of a 1963 Guila Spyder 1600, this is the one. while many people prefer the veloce, the only real difference in the carbs. and the comparrison between the solex and double webers is of greater difference than this twin weber downdraft would be. simplicity and durability is better and i suspect you could assume the vehicle, engine and drivetrain has had less abuse, strain than a veloce model.
quite frankly in the 40 to 80 mph range my alfa was much quicker than my 84 GTI.
IMHO the veloce difference may be over rated. Simple is always smart-especially in the long term. ie:collectible cars!
 

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Grubby is grubby

This car is too messy underneath for me to take your mileage claims seriously. How anyone could own this car for 30 years and put only 10k kilometers (6,000 miles!) on it is cause for concern, as well. These are only my opinions based on the photos provided filtered through a lifetime of Alfa ownership, so assign them whatever weight you wish.
 

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I have '63 spider that was grey/red. The p.o. painted it in a sort of greenish silver, but the original interior is still there as is the original paint under the spare tire and carpets. The unexposed parts of the interior that have not faded are a bright red; not very deep, but not at all orange.

I believe the '63 spiders only came in grey/red, white/red, white/black, and red/black. Maybe red/red, but I'm not sure about that one.

They are wonderful cars.
 

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i too have been involved with alfas for 30 plus years. the red vinyl is original.
i 'm not some kind of scamer or attempting to misrepresent anything. i am selling a car that i never thought i would ever sell. the red color interior is alfa spec red for this year car as sold in italy. the fotos in road and track mag confirm this color combo and hue. if you want to come and look at the texture, the detailing and the perforation on back side of seats you will see that it is in fact alfa original equipment. if you don't due that, i don't think you should be passing judgement. and your judgement, in my opinion, is inaccurate. and that goes for the bottom side of car as well.
 

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I know how difficult it is to properly render this red in a digital photograph. My avatar makes my point. The interior looks radioactive in some shots. Mine was redone in the early '80s and, while I can't vouch for it's authenticity, I can say it is a 501 type red -- not orange or tangerine at all.

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Be careful passing judgment on the condition of this car by looking at some grunge underneath it. Sometimes, people hide things under grunge, and other times, grunge is a good preservative.

If you doubt John's truthfulness, then hop in the car or on an airplane and go over there and look at it. I have talked to John via email, and he has been very forthcoming with information and willing to let anyone take a good, hard look at his Giulia. A $300 plane ticket for a good examination of a $25K-$30K car is pretty cheap insurance to verify his statements. If you can stick your screwdriver up through it, then the grunge is hiding something. If (as John says) you can scrape it off and find pretty metal underneath, then be glad that grunge is there preserving this 43 year old car.

My '68 Junior doesn't have a "Concours" undercarriage. It has been driven and had grease and oil sprayed all over it for years. I can't afford to "detail" the underneath, so it stays dirty...and DRY so it won't rust.

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No Interest

Since I have no interest in your car I will shut up and unsubscribe this thread. But only after saying that grunge is not to be confused with patina, and I agree that a car driven an average of 200 miles per year for three decades should be examined closely before purchase.
Good luck with your sale!
 

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I want to make sure that my last post was not misunderstood. I did not intend to imply that the interior color of John's car is wrong. On my computer screen the color of both the upholstery and the carpet looks right. I am impressed that he was able to duplicate the perforations on the back of the seats. It's also nice that he got the right Weber carb so he could keep the original twin hose air cleaner. The underside is a little better than mine with 48,000 miles. Looks like a nice car to me.
 

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Fellas let's not be so harsh;to the right person it's a great car and worth the dough. I rebuilt my '63 Giulia engine in 82 and have maybe 15,000 miles on the car since, for various reasons, divorce and brakes stand out.

My quibble however is saying the only difference between 1600 Veloce/SS engines and normale engines is carburetor. It's way different. Try one.
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i too have been involved with alfas for 30 plus years. the red vinyl is original.
i 'm not some kind of scamer or attempting to misrepresent anything. i am selling a car that i never thought i would ever sell. the red color interior is alfa spec red for this year car as sold in italy. the fotos in road and track mag confirm this color combo and hue. if you want to come and look at the texture, the detailing and the perforation on back side of seats you will see that it is in fact alfa original equipment. if you don't due that, i don't think you should be passing judgement. and your judgement, in my opinion, is inaccurate. and that goes for the bottom side of car as well.
I think that it would help alleviate our collective fear and loathing of scammers if you spelled your words right, capitalized every first letter of a sentence, and took care to learn the correct spelling of the word "Giulia" in your signature (for a 30-year owner this is a bit of a surprise). By the way you write, I'd almost think that I'm reading the writing of a text-happy twenty-something; I must be wrong, as obviously, a twenty-something cannot have been involved with any Alfa for over 30 years...

My two cents.
 

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I think that it would help alleviate our collective fear and loathing of scammers if you spelled your words right, capitalized every first letter of a sentence, and took care to learn the correct spelling of the word "Giulia" in your signature (for a 30-year owner this is a bit of a surprise). By the way you write, I'd almost think that I'm reading the writing of a text-happy twenty-something; I must be wrong, as obviously, a twenty-something cannot have been involved with any Alfa for over 30 years...

My two cents.
Wow! What's happening to us? I don't mean to pick on Patrick, and I certainly value his great comments and contributions on this BB, but I think we are going down a dangerous path, with the tone of the posts getting increasingly poignant...

This BB is what we, the members, will make of it. If we want to make this a place to trade insults, instead of information, that's what it will be. There are many very well educated business people that I know who write in a very different style (without capitals, with unconventional abbreviations, unchecked spelling, etc), when they use on-line communication. By the same token, there are people who are simply not good writers. Both types post on this BB, but we don't go around telling them how they should or should not write...

I was not going to join this thread simply because I am interested in this vehicle and didn't think that it would be appropriate for me to offer comments which could be construed as self-serving. However, we seem to keep escalating the tone of the posts, and I think we are allowing misguided (albeit perhaps well-intentioned) momentum to take us over the top. No one is stopping anyone from inspecting this vehicle in person, and no one is trying to con/scam anyone into sending money anywhere. Finally, if anyone must know, the existence of this vehicle and its current owner are known in the northern NJ area, and can be verified by people in the Alfa community of this area all the way back to at least the early 1980s.

Best regards,
 
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