63 giulia ?

well guys all of the upholstery is original on seats and doors except for the seat bottoms, which were made by a local seat shop from alfa tex in original color as purchased from alfa originals about 13 years ago. the color is pimento. i spent years (actually over a decade) searching for the right vinyl tecture and color. when i purchased the car in '77 the seats had red covers on them. i took the covers off to reveal the original seats and to my surprise they were fine except for a crack in vinyl on drivers side seat bottom. i liked the original color better as it matched the original door panels. eventually i replaced the seat bottom once i found "identical" color match. so be assured. THESE ARE ORIGINAL COLORS. BTW check out the cover of ROAD &TRACK issues in 1959. There is a Guiletta in this color combo as photographed on a CAlifornia beach with a surfboard sticking out of the passenger footwell. i actually have that issue buried in a stack of alfa stuff. this will confirm you concerns about color. if you have seem a deeper red upholstry color on alfas of this color combo, they have been reupholstered. Come and look at the car or ask me any questions that you want. after 30 years of studying, working on and babying this car, i know these cars and this one in particular and will give you honest and even answers.

oh yeah - that grubby bottom is how a 40 year old car bottom should look!
unless of course you used a toothbrush on it daily! check out that rear facing photo - look at the right rear subframe and you will see some shiny metal where someone looking at the car scrapped some undercoating off. on the right front a- arm you will see a horizontal scrape with a pocket knife which gets through the grunge and you can see the shiny - uncorroded forged part
sorry to sound defensive...but given cars i've seen this one is pretty ok if i have to say so myself. no it's not perfect, but it is quite authentic and has never been left outside to rust and cared for in a responsible and respectful way, and used rarely in the last 20 years. a lot of that grunge is garage dust. i didn't even airblast the bottom prior to photos. if you want a real un-molested, non disneyland reproduction/rebuild example of a 1963 Guila Spyder 1600, this is the one. while many people prefer the veloce, the only real difference in the carbs. and the comparrison between the solex and double webers is of greater difference than this twin weber downdraft would be. simplicity and durability is better and i suspect you could assume the vehicle, engine and drivetrain has had less abuse, strain than a veloce model.
quite frankly in the 40 to 80 mph range my alfa was much quicker than my 84 GTI.
IMHO the veloce difference may be over rated. Simple is always smart-especially in the long term. ie:collectible cars!

Be careful passing judgment on the condition of this car by looking at some grunge underneath it. Sometimes, people hide things under grunge, and other times, grunge is a good preservative.

If you doubt John's truthfulness, then hop in the car or on an airplane and go over there and look at it. I have talked to John via email, and he has been very forthcoming with information and willing to let anyone take a good, hard look at his Giulia. A $300 plane ticket for a good examination of a $25K-$30K car is pretty cheap insurance to verify his statements. If you can stick your screwdriver up through it, then the grunge is hiding something. If (as John says) you can scrape it off and find pretty metal underneath, then be glad that grunge is there preserving this 43 year old car.

My '68 Junior doesn't have a "Concours" undercarriage. It has been driven and had grease and oil sprayed all over it for years. I can't afford to "detail" the underneath, so it stays dirty...and DRY so it won't rust.

FWIW.

pathung said:

I think that it would help alleviate our collective fear and loathing of scammers if you spelled your words right, capitalized every first letter of a sentence, and took care to learn the correct spelling of the word "Giulia" in your signature (for a 30-year owner this is a bit of a surprise). By the way you write, I'd almost think that I'm reading the writing of a text-happy twenty-something; I must be wrong, as obviously, a twenty-something cannot have been involved with any Alfa for over 30 years...

My two cents.

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Wow! What's happening to us? I don't mean to pick on Patrick, and I certainly value his great comments and contributions on this BB, but I think we are going down a dangerous path, with the tone of the posts getting increasingly poignant...

This BB is what we, the members, will make of it. If we want to make this a place to trade insults, instead of information, that's what it will be. There are many very well educated business people that I know who write in a very different style (without capitals, with unconventional abbreviations, unchecked spelling, etc), when they use on-line communication. By the same token, there are people who are simply not good writers. Both types post on this BB, but we don't go around telling them how they should or should not write...

I was not going to join this thread simply because I am interested in this vehicle and didn't think that it would be appropriate for me to offer comments which could be construed as self-serving. However, we seem to keep escalating the tone of the posts, and I think we are allowing misguided (albeit perhaps well-intentioned) momentum to take us over the top. No one is stopping anyone from inspecting this vehicle in person, and no one is trying to con/scam anyone into sending money anywhere. Finally, if anyone must know, the existence of this vehicle and its current owner are known in the northern NJ area, and can be verified by people in the Alfa community of this area all the way back to at least the early 1980s.

Best regards,