$55,000 Super FS!

A lot of money, yet even then, probably selling at a loss.
We build cars like this to order. We could'nt possibly do this for less than 40000 euro.
This for a car with EVERYTHING new.
Count with me:
Good base Super to start with, no or minor rust, yet a resto project. I'd say 3500 euro, from italy. (inc transport to over here)
Total bare metal respray, adressing minor dinks and or rust.
Including polishing and cutting of paint afterwards. Metallic. Can I state about 8000 euro? Remember, inside and out, totally.
Makes 11500.
Fresh engine, gearbox, rear axle, driveshaft. Everything new. Head work, pistons and sleeves. Gearbox fresh. including labor can I realistically state about 12K Euro?
makes 23500.
EVERY rubber replaced, windows, doors, rubber mats all over. Headlining, drivetrain rubbers, etc etc. 1000 in parts. Labor? depends on how fast you can work. Ever done a headlining?
I'd say 3K total.
Brakes overhauled, new booster, lines pads, etc. 2500 euros.
makes 27000
Fresh front window, gauges and electrics fresh. hew headlights Carello. new blinker lights. Chrome trim, NOS bumpers etc.
Fresh Koni shocks. Wheels blasted and painted, fresh tires.
Fresh gas tank (available again!!!)
Recored radiator. About 3000 in parts. Include labor to fit (make a new wiring loom and install.. count your hours...)
5000.
makes 32000.
restore completely seats, upholstery, steering wheel, dash top, woodwork, sound isolation. Door cards.
Fit decent sound system that does not intrude on originality. (ie hidden)
about 7000 in parts and labor for fitment. Fluids, oils etc.Have the car professionally waxoyled . 2000.
makes 41000.
I probably forgot a lot of small stuff here, and of course we have to make a profit. So that would ba 50000 euro's if you please.
Do it yourself in a couple of years and save the labor. Whatever. 20000 or so. Still be a 30K Giulia.
We have two that aren't perfect but as close as you can get, one red w/ blue leather, about 18K, and one Azzuro LM , stock base 1300, car's body is really (forgive the word) stunning. Engine nice but original, serviced only, interior 95% , for 15K.
Getting those to that level would be prohibitive to selling them.
We would never do a car like that, unless we had a customer from the start. Too hard to sell because people can't add up.
Seeing that a Beemer 120D with options will set you back close to 40K euro as well, makes this dirt cheap.
Sure, you wouldn't use the Super as you would the beemer, but you could do yourself a base Toyota, AND this kind of Super, and be far the wiser. No depreciation, a joy to behold and to drive and basically SO MUCH MORE FUN, your NEW Super...

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NO MATTER ABOUT THE VALUE OF $$$$$$$$ !!!!!

Gold plating everything on a old chevy will not make it a 40.000$ vehicle !!!

On the other hand, the remains of a wrecked 6C 1750 GS or a TZ1 will reach sky high values, even if it is only some rusted metal, after all.

14.000 Euro is the top value of the very best Super in Europe. With Higher prices, the car will simply NOT sell as you can buy a decent Porsche 911 for the same money.

The Gallery Brummen

And the pro as Seinista (in Netherland too) don't buy the item they put into the car at the retail catalog price. NEVER ! This is the basic principle of their business.

A few years ago, afriend of mine sold a NOS 1st series Super grill to a professional restoration workshop for 70$. (It was hanging on a wall at home , just for show). The workshop billed the grill...600$ to a customer for a car under restoration, arguing they found the very last one in Italy from the sicilian mafia aka aka aka , (classical Alfa lies...)

Do you think the car pictured is one of the very best, with the horn button surrounding cracked and the chrom trim under the doors missing,??? (just at a first glance)

Do you think that Europeans are ready to buy things at stupid prices just because the $ is completely (and artificially) underappreciated ??

Anyway 55.000 $ is OK for ... a TI Super !!!

regards
Sébastien

We have a TI Super in the shop. See the thread..
Think more in terms of 60K EURO...
Serious, of course we would never BUY at these prices. we are a company and must make a profit. We pay large rent etc.
We DO build cars at these prices, for connaisseurs wanting the best.
Really , these prices are OK, not taking into account the US$ etc. I'm just talking europe.
Why is that?
Simple. we have customers who drove a crappy Giulia back in college. You know, a 1500Euro car, rusted, leaky etc. As all Giulias, these are the best and most fun.These people now have a career behind them, drive an A8 or Benz S class. They come along, see what we've got, and think again. They never had sp much fun as back then in their Giulia. Also the memories of their college years etc. the birds they pulled in that ' Lada' ... But they don't have the time for rust, crappy mechanics or whatever. Also, back then they bought what they could get their hands on. Whatever the engine or color.
Now they say, OK, I would want one in grigio Chiaro,red leather, TZ wheels, lowered, hot 2000 engine etc. We say fine and build the thing.
So , this then costs say 35K. Or maybe more.
They could also go out and buy another weekend toy such as a used boxster, a Z4. A Miata. Maybe a TVR. Whatever.
But they connect to the Giulia, count in the economics (space for travel, kids can join in, depreciation, can use in daily drive on nice days etc...) compare the cost to the Boxster or TVR, and hey, presto, a Giulia like this for big money DOES make sense!
Compared to the S class for 200K here, whats 40000 for a toy?
Also, it makes financial sense due to fiscal constaints for running a 'company' car here. Based on new price values. With a giulia new price of maybe 4000 euro back then, over wich to pay tax, or a whopping 200K for the S class, big difference. Hard to explain to a yank how this works...

Not so.
High end or low end makes one hell of a difference.
Wheter to restore a Mk1 Golf GTI, a Beemer 2002, a Giulia or say a 240Z will all amount to the same.
Doing any high end car, whether a 911, or for this instance, a maserati Indy (not even SO rare or high end: One single example: window rubbers, at around 1000 apiece......) the hours will be the same, except for some extra engine work (multicilinder). Parts are far more expensive...
It's simple, any low end car will never be economically viable to restore.
Even on this indy example, it will (just) work out. Because a restored Indy will do 70K euro's
Any low end car is only restored because someone WANTS it to be. Not because a company sees a profit in it. We see a profit in doing the indy. We would not see so for a Giulia.
So there you are. Even then there are people willing to pay for such cars coming on the market. They are a rarity unto themselves. So they create their own value. in this case 55K$. Which proves that is economically uninteresting as the bills amount to 77K. even at 55 seller is having a hard time shifting. But beleive me it will be sold soon, I think.