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Does anyone know what an alfa Romeo 164s would sell for? Black, 80k miles, one owner, garaged, maintained, new tires, upgraded chip, leather interior, cherry red custom pin striping..... I am the original owner of this beautiful vehicle....I want my baby to go to someone who would appreciate her beautiful purr......paid $50k for her in 1991.... Anyone interested? Pictures upon request........serious inquires only!

Vehicle located in trophy club, tx......

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You've been looking at it since 1991 and still haven't noticed the correct spelling?

1991 alfa Romero 164s 80k miles
Does anyone know what an alfa Romero 164s would sell for? Black, 80k miles, one owner, garaged, maintained, new tires, upgraded chip, leather interior, cherry red custom pin striping..... I am the original owner of this beautiful vehicle....I want my baby to go to someone who would appreciate it.......paid $50k in 1991..
 

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And your point? Perhaps I am upset for letting my baby go.....serious inquiries only.......txlizrd
 

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Prices new 1991-95 164 models.

I missed the misspelling but an Alfa Romeo 164S for 50k in 91 was a rare one. My 164 base model stickered out at $25,035.00 and I still have the car and sticker.

One of my 164L models stickered out at $29.935.00.

I don't have a sticker on a 164S but ad page I have in file lists 164S for $30.970* and Motor Trend January 1991 tested one stickered at $31.333.

The 1994 price listed in an auto mag was $34.390 and as tested $35,815.
The 94 164Q listed for $38,055 as tested.

Don't have a price point on new 95 models but in the end they were giving $10 on LS -12K on Q discounts off them in mid 95 at ALGAR when I was on business in Philly. I think they were stickered at about $38-$40K. The white LS 5-speed they had on showroom floor was already sold or I would have jumped on the discounted price.

As for how to price out a nice 164S now whatever the market will bear. My son sold his for $3500 awhile back. I am rehabbing a black one now that will have about $10k worth of my sweat equity in it when finished but in reality will be worth to the right buyer far less.

Go to New Cars, Used Cars, Blue Book Values & Car Prices - Kelley Blue Book and enter your data on your 164S and then cry a little but don't sell it for that price - not even for their suggested retail price.

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Nice to excellent "no issues" 91s go for anywhere from $4000-$6500 from what I've seen lately. However, from what I've experienced buying an "S" recently, "no issues" cars ALL have issues.

You might want to list it in the "For Sale" listings threads instead of here in the technical threads. Might get a few more lookers/buyers there that don't peruse the technical threads. Pictures, posted asking price, and correcting the typo with the original sale price will generate a lot more interest than being skimpy with details.

As you've seen, this is a pretty serious forum for Alfa enthusiasts. Most lookers on this forum are going to be pretty knowledgeable and serious buyers.
 

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Alfa romeo 164s 1991

When we purchased the catr the total with tax, tags, financing and a few upgrades, the price came out to around $50k.
 

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When we purchased the catr the total with tax, tags, financing and a few upgrades, the price came out to around $50k.
If you mention the price new, everyone is going to assume sticker price. And almost everyone on this board knows that should have been around $30-32k, and even that is really irrelevant to the market value today. Inflating it to include tax, registration, financing costs (this is the first time I've every heard of any seller trying that) gives the appearance of deceptiveness to someone who knows pretty much what the original sticker price was.

The other part of this is your pool of potential buyers for such a uncommon and now unsupported (dealer network) car, may be from far away and they have to figure in shipping/retrieval costs. Good ones at a good price go quickly up in the Northeast. Inflated priced ones sit for a long time on eBay and Craigslist. I don't know about Dallas/Ft Worth market, but it's probably not as vibrant for Alfas as the NE. Anybody on this BB that's interested in buying an 164 is going to be a serious buyer. It's critical that you're completely upfront and honest about everything with the car. You don't need to pump it. A great car with a documented maintenance history will sell itself. Have the maintenance history, or better still, post the last timing belt change, if the AC system has been converted to R134, etc in your ad. The more detail you post in your ad, the more interest you'll attract from our BB members. Don't even think about posting "Serious buyers only" on this BB, as when I was looking I immediately dismissed those sellers as overpricing their cars and probably being generally a pain to deal with. I was a serious buyer, and I didn't need to be lectured to by some seller.

Post pictures (lots, including the driver's seat which gets the most wear, and any non-stock item like the pin-stripping), a price, and maintenance history (timing belt change) and have a Carfax/Autocheck report available to a potential buyer. That's what going to generate calls.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to hammer you here. I sounds like you've got a great, low-mileage S. I'd be great that a fellow BB member and "Alfisti" gets it.
 

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164 Pricing

For reference, my 91 S in excellent, rust-free condition, all original and everything working with 90K miles was valued at $3K by the insurance company after a tree branch landed on it. The price of front and rear glass and the dent in the roof made it easy for them to total the car. They told me I would be doing them a favor by keeping the car so they don't have to deal with its disposal. I found a very nice L for less than $2K and am transferring all the S parts over to it (except for the rear spoiler!).
 

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For reference, my 91 S in excellent, rust-free condition, all original and everything working with 90K miles was valued at $3K by the insurance company after a tree branch landed on it. The price of front and rear glass and the dent in the roof made it easy for them to total the car. They told me I would be doing them a favor by keeping the car so they don't have to deal with its disposal. I found a very nice L for less than $2K and am transferring all the S parts over to it (except for the rear spoiler!).
Spoiler's one of my favorite things about my S. :p

Also, howdy Txlizrd, nice to see another from Texas on here. And a 164 S driver to boot. :)
 

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My own experience through the years is that most insurance companies tend to value a car like that at about half the going retail price. We've always had to fight to get the assessed value up toward what is found to be as sold prices.
 

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Insurance valuation

I went back and forth with the insurance company for over four months, including providing them with asking prices for several similar mileage cars. That's how I got their valuation up from $2K to $3K. Unfortunately, with a rare car, it is really hard to establish actual selling prices for enough cars in your area to make a strong case. They included both L and S models in deriving their estimate, but they do adjust up for what they think is the premium on the S (less than $1K)! Their adjustment for mileage is very small in comparing an old car with 90K vs. 180K miles. They don't seem to care if it's an Alfa or a Chevy.
 

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Search the archives and look at eBay for completed auctions that actually sold.

Service history and records are critical on these. Even then, they are just not worth a lot of dollars. I paid under $6k for what is probably amongst the nicest remaining 95ls models remaining. It had extensive service history including recent $3k complete suspension rebuild (all rubber bits included) by Algar. Even then I put a bunch of $$$ after purchase. That is part of the problem, if these need anything it will be costly.

Like others I can not see how you could have paid $50k for a 91 unless you had a 21% interest rate! But it does not matter one bit that the car sold for new. It has almost zero bearing on current value. No different than all those underWater mortgages. My first PC cost $5,000 and is now worth $20. Whatever you paid new, just let it go as it is irrelevant.

Site unseen, I would imagine $5 - $6k unless you want to sit on it for a very long time. This assumes it is indeed really nice. Sadly, they are not worth a lot. When I sold my very nice 91s some 10 years ago, with full Algar service history, I think I got around $4k.

And yes, I agree that all the "serious buyers only" stuff is just silly or else a red flag for way overpriced. I personally have never gone to look at a vehicle wearing a clown suit! "serious sellers" should list an asking price and all the details about the vehicle.
 

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In '91 dollars, $30,000 must have seemed like $50,000. :eek: This is an Alfa forum populated by Alfa freaks, so no need to assume any of us are not serious or interested. So you need to post some pictures and write up some details. This isn't Craigslist or even eBay, so no need to worry about tirekickers. If your going to sell it, this is the place.
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it all depends on whats been done to the car in comparison to what needs to be done?. has all the notorious problems that go with this car been taken care of? hows the paint? hows the paint on the skirts? interior? which on these cars dosen't age gracefully. stepper motor? timing belt/water pump? sunroof work? rack & pinion leak? blah blah blah... IMO i think if most of the common problems have been addressed you should have no problem being in the 5k range.
ps: is the pinstripe tape or paint?
 

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Just for a pricing point based on my daughter totaling her 91 164B with 190k on it just this past Feb. Even with high mileage (our 164s all of them ARE DRIVEN daily), insurance company valued this base model with A/T, sun roof, alloys, etc in top notch shape at $2700. I was pleased at their apprasial but after my $500 deductible and $350 salvage rights I netted only $1850, but I got all my good parts to keep. Many of these parts are now under the 164S rehabber.

I think a good really good unmolested non-rust belt 164S should bring something in the $5K plus range. They aren't making anymore of them are they!!!

OBTW on my purchase price of my NEW 91 164B in Feb 91, I got a nice discount, paid cash and total price including tax, titling and tags came in at $22029.83 which considering sticker was 25,035.00 was a pretty good deal I thought.
 
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