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Hi, My '86 Spider has always been a great dependable vehicle. I drove it last 3 months ago and now it won't start and it is not a battery issue. I am swapping out plugs, condensor, wires, and rotor but cannot find anywhere to buy POINTS? Do they exist for this model? If so, where can I order them? The mechanic is holding up everything waiting for the points. Please direct me or guide me on this. thank you.
 

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Yeah, no points. If it was running fine, you parked it three months, and then it suddenly wouldn't start, the ignition system is far from the first thing I'd look at.

You sure it's not a battery issue? If the battery voltage is low it'll crank but won't have enough volts to kick over the fuel injection. Try jumper cables if you're not sure.
 

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no points and no condensor on your 86

There is actually nothing in the distributor but a rotor.

your car needs minimum 10.5-11.0 Volts "whilst" cranking or the ECU will not awake. Sure, the battery might be good, but it is the cranking voltage that is the important part.
Check battery cables are clean and tight. Especially the ground lead from the battery bolted to the trunk floor.
If cranking voltage is OK, but still no spark then check the flywheel sensors.

(I presume the mech. has tested whether it has spark or not?)

However If it has spark, forget all the above and look at fuel delivery: so the 8A fuel fuse under the rear shelf, or the fuel relay.
 

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If you have spark,as above, how old is your fuel filter? I have fixed a lot of non start with a fuel filter change
 

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Logical troubleshooting almost always beats randomly replacing parts but first you need to understand how it works.
 
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Gas goes bad pretty quickly these days. You might try draining the tank and filling with a couple gallons of new gas and see if that makes a difference.
 

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By "won't start" you mean the the starter turns the engine but the motor fails to catch, fire up and idle, or do you mean nothing happens when you turn the key?
 

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Johnston, Rhode Island. Last time this happened to me it was the bell housing sensors were switched around as they were just replaced. I'm at a loss as I am in Florida and the car is in Rhode Island and I am trying to ship it down and I need it to be running to get it on the transport truck. Car drove fine before I moved. Then sat for several months and it won't turn over. I will try a new battery but mechanic said he tried jumping and it wasn't getting any spark. I am appreciative of the Points comments as I am not a mechanic and the mechanic I'm using is not a foreign specialist. thanks, jeff
 

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By "won't start" you mean the the starter turns the engine but the motor fails to catch, fire up and idle, or do you mean nothing happens when you turn the key?
Car attempts to start but mechanic says he is getting no spark. He is NOT a seasoned foreign specialist but I am 1500 miles away trying to get this running to get on a truck to be transported to me. The starter turns and the engine attempts to turn over.
 

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If you have spark,as above, how old is your fuel filter? I have fixed a lot of non start with a fuel filter change
You have helped me in the past!! Seems like there is no spark thus the mechanic attempting a tune up of basics to start. Car ran fine a few months ago. I will have him check the fuel filter. I am 1500 miles away so it is difficult for me to check myself. thanks, jeff
 

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no points and no condensor on your 86

There is actually nothing in the distributor but a rotor.

your car needs minimum 10.5-11.0 Volts "whilst" cranking or the ECU will not awake. Sure, the battery might be good, but it is the cranking voltage that is the important part.
Check battery cables are clean and tight. Especially the ground lead from the battery bolted to the trunk floor.
If cranking voltage is OK, but still no spark then check the flywheel sensors.

(I presume the mech. has tested whether it has spark or not?)

However If it has spark, forget all the above and look at fuel delivery: so the 8A fuel fuse under the rear shelf, or the fuel relay.
Last time this happened it was the flywheel sensors but nothing happened when I turned the key when that happened. I will have them checked again though as they were cheap enough to replace. Just a pain to get to. Thanks, Jeff
 

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Car attempts to start but mechanic says he is getting no spark. He is NOT a seasoned foreign specialist but I am 1500 miles away trying to get this running to get on a truck to be transported to me. The starter turns and the engine attempts to turn over.
Like I said, that'll happen if the battery is low. Try charging it, or use jumper cables.

Worst case, put it in first gear and use the starter to drive it onto the truck. The Spider doesn't have a clutch interlock.
 

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A transport company should be able to load a non-running car. No reason they can't. If they can't get a dead car on the trailer then you need a better transporter. They might charge a few extra bucks but any shipper worth anything can get it loaded.
 

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Last time this happened it was the flywheel sensors but nothing happened when I turned the key when that happened
the engine will crank fine with bad flywheel sensors, it just wont spark...
so do check them, as your mechanic is saying it won't spark.

tell him to also check the main relay under the rear shelf (where the ecu is) as well.

Has he checked cranking voltage? if it is under 10.5 it wont start, no matter what parts he throws at it.
That check is no. 1 with L-jetronic

If it is just a matter of getting a non running car onto a transporter, then get another transporter because he is obviously a furniture transporter or something!

Gubi...that's a lot of stress on the starter.
If you have someone pushing the car at the same time it should be fine....if you remove the spark plugs, then crank the starter in gear, its even easier
 

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If you have someone pushing the car at the same time it should be fine....if you remove the spark plugs, then crank the starter in gear, its even easier
well the problem is that he isn't there to do all that. He is relying on a "mechanic" that doesn't even realize the distributor doesn't have points.

The best option for the OP is to just hire a transporter that will load and deliver a non-running car to him. I don't think whoever is "working" on the car where it's at is going to accomplish anything other than bleeding more money out of the OP. The owner should not have to tell the mechanic how to fix a car. If this mechanic knew what he was doing then the owner would probably not be here looking for the answer. Just my impression of what's going on.
 
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