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1985 Alfa Romeo GTV6 - One owner vehicle with great Italian lines! It has been a daily driver for most of the last 25 years. Well maintained by Alfa dealers and specialty mechanics. Although it is has approximately 190,000 miles, this is a clean car.

Amenities include leather seats, sun roof, Tropic Air conditioning, Kenwood radio/tape cassette system, power windows, heated/defog in rear window, and locking gas cap. The TRX metric wheels/tires were original on the car. The 6 cylinder high performance engine makes it a fun car to drive!
Repairs to the car in 2010 included a new alternator, new front shocks, new front tires, and some minor exhaust system work.
The History – Although I was living in Reno, NV in 1985 when I purchased the car it came off a dealer’s lot in Corte Madera, CA (North Bay of San Francisco Bay Area) so it came with the specifications for CA emissions control. The first year warranty service was done by Bill Pearce Motors in Reno, an official Alfa dealer. Their mechanic had been sent to Alfa training and he was the one who always serviced my car. Other than standard maintenance, the water pump went out and was replaced. After that first year they let the Alfa dealership go, so I took the car to the Alfa dealer in Sacramento for service. Any repair that the Alfa mechanics recommended was completed. I still have the original warranty booklet filled out by both dealerships.
In September 1989 I moved to Incline Village, NV at Lake Tahoe. During the snowy winter months the car was left in the garage and I drove another family car. We were there for eight years. Also during this time the Alfa dealerships left the USA. I found a private garage in Reno, Intrepid Motors, that serviced the car. They were specialty mechanics who had gotten into the business via racing Alfa’s and Ferrari’s. One day we even saw the British racing car, that had just set the land speed record out on the Bonneville salt flats, there for service. The point here is that they were very much quality mechanics.
In September of 1997 we moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. Since then the car has been serviced by Bob Wandell of Import Doctors in San Ramon. He is well known in local circles as an Alfa specialist mechanic. On his office computer, he has the car’s records since 2001. Repairs completed during this time included, but definitely not limited to: 1. About 2002, major service on engine compression. 2. The head gaskets redone. 3. The clutch was redone about four years ago. 4. Timing belt replaced in last three years.
Current condition – The exterior paint looks good. There is only a bit of rust on a lower panel, driver’s side. Interior carpets are excellent. Leather fronted seats, three seams need repair. Some cracks in front dash.
Repairs currently needed – 1. The heater valve has a coolant leak which causes the car to overheat. 2. One of the air conditioner braces needs to be welded in place. 3. The odometer / speedometer is not functioning, the tachometer does work.
The car is located in the East Bay of the San Francisco Bay Area. Listed for sale at $3,750.
Contact alfasusan at [email protected].
 

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Wow - 190,000 miles? Looks pretty good. Gotta love a high-mileage, original owner (i.e. well cared for) car!

How many of those miles did you actually drive with the TRX metric-sized wheels/tire combo? Those are awfully expensive to replace.

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Wow..three white GTV6's for sale! I'm in Heaven!

Alfasusan: Beautiful..can you post a few pics of engine bay and rear end? Thanks!

Racingswim: Buy this white beauty and be cool like me.

Cheers, x
 

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Gotta agree with X ... white is one of the finest colors for this car!

If this baby was within an 8 hour drive, I might already be driving it home! But Cali is a bit far ... still ... hmmm ...

I am curious how much did it cost to put the two new TRX tires on the front last year?

I *love* the phone-dial wheels ... but next time I get a GTV6 I am going to have to either get one without TRX rims or do the mods. They are just too hard to keep these days.
 

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Wow - 190,000 miles? Looks pretty good. Gotta love a high-mileage, original owner (i.e. well cared for) car!

How many of those miles did you actually drive with the TRX metric-sized wheels/tire combo? Those are awfully expensive to replace.

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Thanks for the interest in the 1985 Alfa GTV6. The TRX metric wheeels/tires came as original equipment on the car so I've had them all twenty five years. Years ago I just ordered them through a Michlein dealer, but more recently I've gotten them online. The two front tires last spring cost $750. including the shipping. Then I had them installed and balanced here in town.

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Gotta agree with X ... white is one of the finest colors for this car!

If this baby was within an 8 hour drive, I might already be driving it home! But Cali is a bit far ... still ... hmmm ...

I am curious how much did it cost to put the two new TRX tires on the front last year?

I *love* the phone-dial wheels ... but next time I get a GTV6 I am going to have to either get one without TRX rims or do the mods. They are just too hard to keep these days.
Thanks for your interest in the 1985 Alfa GTV6! Wish Ohio was a shorter drive. Last spring in an online purchase the two front tires cost $750. including shipping. Then I had them installed here locally.

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Alfasusan:
Some buyers may want to know if this has isostatic shifter or not...last few digits of VIN not always accurate for this ...

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Gotta agree with X ... white is one of the finest colors for this car

I am curious how much did it cost to put the two new TRX tires on the front last year?

I *love* the phone-dial wheels ... but next time I get a GTV6 I am going to have to either get one without TRX rims or do the mods. They are just too hard to keep these days.
Coker Tires in Chatanooga bought the molds and technology from Michelin, to keep producing the TRX tires. So you can still buy brand new ones thru them. Last I heard, and this may be dated info, they sold for around $275 +S&H each. You may be able to check current Coker prices on their website?

They are exact to the originals, including the tread and Michelin logos. That also means the 1985 construction and materials are replicated exactly, too.

The phone dials are my favorite wheels. When you said "do the mods"... does that mean there is a way to machine or modify the TRX rims to accept 15" tires?

As a trained car designer, I too prefer white, red, or a light color on this body. In trans design, you learn that the glass area is always read as a medium-to-dark grey. If you paint a car metallic charcoal the window graphics disappear... you may as well have painted the whole car a dark grey primer, including the glass. You'll get just a singular shape. The arched opposing curves of the side glass on the GTV6 make the design. If the green house glass and the body color are in high contrast (especially with all the pillars and trim surrounding the glass painted one dark color, as in the above example)... the car also looks lighter. As it naturally appears as tho you took the glass portion and threw it away, visually reading only the remaining body.

If you have a car with ugly window graphics, hide it with a charcoal or black paint job. If your car has beautiful window graphics, show it off with a light contrasting color. White, in itself, helps make the entire car look lighter too.

Metallic charcoal is the worst, as it makes the car subliminally look like it was machined from a billet of heavy steel. Having said that... my current 3.0 GTV6 is charcoal. My next one (currently a project) will not be.
 

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Thank you for the discussion about Coker Tires. I did buy the two front tires from them last spring. The shipping all of the way to California just adds up. A few years before when I bought tires I also used Coker Tires. They are a great contact!

Thanks again.
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Beautiful GTV6, by the way. You should be able to find a nice home for it. Make sure the next owner has some nice twisty roads nearby... this car (as you must know) is not only beautiful, but can make you giggle like a little girl in the corners.

When you sell it, if the new owner needs replacement parts for those non-working issues... you can send them to me. I have 2+ GTV6 bone cars as organ donors, for my own projects and for others.

Good luck with the sale!
 

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Thanks for your best wishes!

Thanks for your best wishes planetmojo! I'll be sure to pass along all of my information for parts and repair.

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Thanks Susan,

If your TRX rims and tires seem to adversely affect your selling price... I have some stock 1981-84 Campy rims, and some stock 1986 'wine glass' rims. Both 15", of course.

You can use that in your sales pitch, if it helps quell that argument. I'm not suggesting that you get those from me before selling. You can just mention that the metrics are easily swapped out, to any concerned buyer.

Like many... I wish someone would manufacture a 15" version of the phone dial design. Problem solved!
 

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Perhaps a couple of people can weigh-in, but I was always told that the biggest problem with the TRX rims was that the SPACING/OFFSET of the lugs was not the same as the standard, and that to do a proper switch you either had to make custom rims, or have a mod done to the hubs/lugs.

Anyone care to comment?
 

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It sounds like you're getting your terms mixed up.

Offset has nothing to do with the lug pattern/circle - all of the transaxle V6 cars were 5x98 bolt circle.

Offset - or the relationship between the center of the wheel and the hub - varied slightly.

The only issue between the TRX rims and all other of the V6 wheels is that the actual diameter is different, requiring a special, metric tire. This has been discussed in other threads. FYI.

Good reference for learning the terms: Wheel sizing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Perhaps a couple of people can weigh-in, but I was always told that the biggest problem with the TRX rims was that the SPACING/OFFSET of the lugs was not the same as the standard, and that to do a proper switch you either had to make custom rims, or have a mod done to the hubs/lugs.

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Perhaps a couple of people can weigh-in, but I was always told that the biggest problem with the TRX rims was that the SPACING/OFFSET of the lugs was not the same as the standard, and that to do a proper switch you either had to make custom rims, or have a mod done to the hubs/lugs.

Anyone care to comment?
Lug and hub spacing and offsets were the same with metric rims as standard rims. The problem is that the metric size of the tire corresponds to a 15.3 inch rim. An normal 15 inch or 16 inch tire will not fit a metric rim, so a metric tire, only made by Michelin, is the only one that will work with that wheel.

Some people have tried to fit 15 inch tires on Metric rims, but there is a chance the tire could blow up during installation, injuring the installer.

Nice car BTW. Shame to see someone sell it after 190,000 miles of service.
 

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I never really see the metric rims as a big issue. I suppose if I got an '85 with those wheels, I might factor in my head the cost of swapping the wheels out at some future point. It might be cheaper than getting new metric tires.

OTOH, if I wanted to show the car, I might keep the metrics in the garage just for show days, and drive on Campy's (or something) the rest of the time.

Anyway, a small impact to cost (maybe), but an easy remedy. I think your car is priced fairly and I wouldn't bat an eye.

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I concur with Zinhead. I've had all 3 stock rim designs (Campys, TRX, and wine glasses). I've swapped them around on a whim more than once. No issues there.

I also agree that TRX rims only mate up with Michelin TRX tires. If you have the Speedline TRX rims, you're stuck with the metric tires.

It was Michelin's hope, that since everything else had gone metric, if they were the first out with a metric tire... Good Year and the rest would have to follow suit, and be left in the dust for a year or two, before catching up. One year and done. Metric sizing didn't catch fire... so Michelin's clever plan backfired on them.

Still wish there was a way to easily modify those 'phone dials' to accept a 15" or 16" tire, tho! Boo Hoo!
 

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The Speedline TRX wheel design was so far ahead of its time. We are seeing similar wheel designs by Ford and Lamborghini decades after Alfa did it.

Alfa is the pinnacle of auto design for regular cars.

I love the white finish. Good luck on your sale!
 
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