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I am sorry Dr.G, it seems that I got my western states confused. The other company that I read about here on the abb is called 'Dash Specialist'. They are in Medford Or. (541-776-0040) and appear to be working out of a home or perhaps a home garage. They have a small facebook page:

I've never had a dashboard recovered but have considered having the Montreal dash done because it has three cracks. Somehow the cracks do not effect the way the car drives but I don't like seeing them. Over $2000 (the price of my 1st car) to vacuum cover a dash with a sheet of hot plastic sounds like robbery but I guess it is supply and demand at work.

The Wagnon's GTV has what I would consider a minor imperfection on the side of the instrument binnacle. I don't recall there being (or see in my pictures) any other cracks. For the GTV, I would use 'Fibrenew' to repair the dash. They are very reasonable and available in many different states. I would not however recommend them for large cracks in the center of the dash, like the Montreal has -based on Don Peterson's "Full Monty" experience.

Thanks for your comments and interest,

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I don't think you did, because there used to be a place between Olympia and Portland.Closed down.Maybe these are the same people.
 

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Bump for a very nice GTV. Sports Car Market price guide pegged the 'median value' for this year model at $88,000. This one is very nice and mostly original, with Webers from the factory, as shown in the various pictures. Call W.L at the phone number previously listed if you have any questions.

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Thanks fastracer! There has been a good bit of interest in this car lately; must be the season. My prediction is that the first person to come look at it and drive it, will buy it. WL (the owner) is a bit old fashioned and prefers to do business 'face to face'.

My first three cars were: '70 MGB, '71 MGB and '74 Spider -similar to those in your signature.
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It is with some trepidation that I list this car for my good friend, long time Alfa owner and fellow AROC, Atlanta Chapter, past president –W.L. Wagnon. This gorgeous 1969 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV was picked up at the factory by its original caretaker, John Whey and transported to the Panama Canal Zone . We believe it was later brought into the United States by an American service man. According to the paperwork that came with the car, it was first registered in Georgia by my kids Great Uncle, Paul Spruell.



Over the years, the Wagnon’s family has enjoyed a great number of Alfa Romeo cars and several GTV’s. W.L. first drove the subject car in the summer of 1991, when as Chapter President, he was asked to give his opinion on this particular car by a prospective club member and purchaser. He realized this was an excellent example of the rare and very desirable ‘European specification’ GTV, that he had long dreamed of owing. Undeterred, he gave his honest opinion on this car. Soon, both the prospective club member and car disappeared! A few years later the car resurfaced in the possession of another good friend and chapter member; Maarten Quik. W.L. mentioned, that if Maarten ever decided to sell this car, he wanted first refusal!



In October of 1998, having waited for over seven years, W.L. was finally able to purchase the car of his dreams. This car is currently stabled with other Bertone’, Pininfarina and Zagato bodied collector cars of the Marque. The car is a fantastic ‘driver example’ of a rare and unique, European, 1750 GTV. It has its original engine, transmission, interior, European specification Weber Carburetors and less restrictive intake system. It also comes with the original (to Euro cars) 4:10 rear end, ‘park lights’ –combined high and low beam headlights and additional high beam driving lights (where U.S. spec cars have fog lights).



In addition to the nice original Euro Spec items, the car has a few additional performance enhancers, such as, International Auto Parts springs, Koni shock absorbers and a complete manifold back Stebro stainless steel exhaust system. The sweet running, 1750 engine was rebuilt years ago with 9.5:1 pistons, 11.0 mm lift cams, oversized valves, RML distributor along with a later model hot 105 coil. The car has five powder coated stock wheels and hub caps, five, 165x14” Verdestine tires with ‘deep’ tread, original type Cavis plug wires and a Facel electric fuel pump.



Despite being a capable performer (the car has been driven on many ‘out of state’ trips); this GTV has been detailed to a high standard and shows very well. It has won two ‘Palmetto Awards’ at the prestigious Hilton Head Concours and two ‘Outstanding in Class’ awards at the Highlands Motor Festival. It also received a ‘First in Class’ (Ferrari, Maserati and Alfa Romeo), at the 2004 National Fiat-Lancia Convention. This is the first GTV that I have ever driven and definitely a car that I would like to add to my modest Alfa collection. Unfortunately I can't keep them all.

I an not an expert on GTV's but will post several photographs of the car as time allows. If you are interested in buying this car and would like to check it out; please call W.L. between 10:00 am and 8:00 pm Eastern Time. His phone number in Stone Mountain Georgia is 770-491-6060.



Mark Strohauer
It is with some trepidation that I list this car for my good friend, long time Alfa owner and fellow AROC, Atlanta Chapter, past president –W.L. Wagnon. This gorgeous 1969 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV was picked up at the factory by its original caretaker, John Whey and transported to the Panama Canal Zone . We believe it was later brought into the United States by an American service man. According to the paperwork that came with the car, it was first registered in Georgia by my kids Great Uncle, Paul Spruell.



Over the years, the Wagnon’s family has enjoyed a great number of Alfa Romeo cars and several GTV’s. W.L. first drove the subject car in the summer of 1991, when as Chapter President, he was asked to give his opinion on this particular car by a prospective club member and purchaser. He realized this was an excellent example of the rare and very desirable ‘European specification’ GTV, that he had long dreamed of owing. Undeterred, he gave his honest opinion on this car. Soon, both the prospective club member and car disappeared! A few years later the car resurfaced in the possession of another good friend and chapter member; Maarten Quik. W.L. mentioned, that if Maarten ever decided to sell this car, he wanted first refusal!



In October of 1998, having waited for over seven years, W.L. was finally able to purchase the car of his dreams. This car is currently stabled with other Bertone’, Pininfarina and Zagato bodied collector cars of the Marque. The car is a fantastic ‘driver example’ of a rare and unique, European, 1750 GTV. It has its original engine, transmission, interior, European specification Weber Carburetors and less restrictive intake system. It also comes with the original (to Euro cars) 4:10 rear end, ‘park lights’ –combined high and low beam headlights and additional high beam driving lights (where U.S. spec cars have fog lights).



In addition to the nice original Euro Spec items, the car has a few additional performance enhancers, such as, International Auto Parts springs, Koni shock absorbers and a complete manifold back Stebro stainless steel exhaust system. The sweet running, 1750 engine was rebuilt years ago with 9.5:1 pistons, 11.0 mm lift cams, oversized valves, RML distributor along with a later model hot 105 coil. The car has five powder coated stock wheels and hub caps, five, 165x14” Verdestine tires with ‘deep’ tread, original type Cavis plug wires and a Facel electric fuel pump.



Despite being a capable performer (the car has been driven on many ‘out of state’ trips); this GTV has been detailed to a high standard and shows very well. It has won two ‘Palmetto Awards’ at the prestigious Hilton Head Concours and two ‘Outstanding in Class’ awards at the Highlands Motor Festival. It also received a ‘First in Class’ (Ferrari, Maserati and Alfa Romeo), at the 2004 National Fiat-Lancia Convention. This is the first GTV that I have ever driven and definitely a car that I would like to add to my modest Alfa collection. Unfortunately I can't keep them all.

I an not an expert on GTV's but will post several photographs of the car as time allows. If you are interested in buying this car and would like to check it out; please call W.L. between 10:00 am and 8:00 pm Eastern Time. His phone number in Stone Mountain Georgia is 770-491-6060.



Mark Strohauer
Is this still available?
 

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In addition to Just Dashes in Cali there is Dash Specialists in Medford Oregon. Phone: (541) 776-0040 . They are cheaper then JD and quicker and I would say the quality is on a par with JD.

New dashes are available for about half the price of the repaired ones. The last few I got were very good to excellent quality. They now come with a metal substrate and include the glove box mounted (but without the lock). Alfaholics and Classic Alfa have them in stock among others.
 

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Bump for a very nice GTV. Sports Car Market price guide pegged the 'median value' for this year model at $88,000. This one is very nice and mostly original, with Webers from the factory, as shown in the various pictures. Call W.L at the phone number previously listed if you have any questions.

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88k median value? Wow! Is the specifically for an euro 69 series 1 Gtv. Any valuation on a USA spica 69?
 

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In addition to Just Dashes in Cali there is Dash Specialists in Medford Oregon. Phone: (541) 776-0040 . They are cheaper then JD and quicker and I would say the quality is on a par with JD.

New dashes are available for about half the price of the repaired ones. The last few I got were very good to excellent quality. They now come with a metal substrate and include the glove box mounted (but without the lock). Alfaholics and Classic Alfa have them in stock among others.
hi rich, do they have new dashes for the usa 69 Gtv cars with the different cut out for the spica hand throttle?
 

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88k median value? Wow! Is the specifically for an euro 69 series 1 Gtv. Any valuation on a USA spica 69?
Dave, I believe that is the median value for all '69's -not just euro cars (feel free to call, WL loves to talk Alfa Romeo;-)). A lot of US specification cars have had their Spica fuel injection removed and Weber carbs installed. I'd prefer the factory Weber set up, over the Spica or over a car that has been converted.

I spoke with W.L. Friday morning and he has had a few calls on the car since bumping the listing back up. He has folks planning to come and look at the car. The wagons are circling but as of right now the car is still available; if that changes, I will update the listing immediately. W.L. also mentioned that the '67 (1600, step nose) and the '69 GTV's (1750, smooth nose) have switched places regularly at the top of the 'GTV' price guide. I guess I'd be a smooth nose guy; wish I'd bought this car before my 401K imploded...

To make matters worse, he mentioned that the 1600 Zagato, Jr. Z, would probably be on the cutting block next year. That stinks, as unbeknownst to each other, we both got our almost identical color light metallic blue cars within a week or two of each other -over 20 years ago. (My light blue one is a Touring Roadster.)
Ciao for now,
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Hi mark, yes the 401k has taken a dive all right. Sad to hear that of your friend to who have had these cars for so long. Most long time alfa owners (35yrs for me) I think are in for love of the marque rather than the short term monetary value. But I can understand fully.

on the 69 series 1 Gtv values, my bias opinion is that the usa cars are exceptionally unique. To these eyes they have a cleaner front end without the turn signals in the front sheet metal, dualbrake circuit as a safety measure and simple earlier spica pump with the FCS, dare I say, perhaps make it more desirable than the Euro counterpart?

only thing I wish I had from the euro cars is the wooden non-safety steering wheel and the deeper bolster flyin buttress seats with giant adjustable headrest on one of the seats.

Spica vs Weber merits is a toss up since the performance is near identical. One stay in tune seemingly forever and high pressure have self cleansing attributes while the other has DYI tune ability and familiarity. What’s important now is the cars should have what came with from the factory for top dollar.

Personally, I’ve had a dozen cars with 40-45 dcoe’s, 40-42 dcnf’s, 40-44 IDF’s not to mention the Dellortos. They aren’t a novelty to me like the signature spica is. I’m at odds with most of BBer that the spica is an emissions device. I believe that it reflects the race technology of the day since with the autodelta and upper echelon of motorsports in general all ran with them. The wildly exotic Stradale beforehand and the flagship Montreal afterwards adapted them for the street use much like the MFI’s for Aston, Porsche, BMW, and the Lancia rally at the time. People seem to go blank when I say both the monte and 33 were euro spec cars not available in USA for which emission wasn’t a concern.

Outside of the subjective elements, the differences in production numbers are telling. The series 1 spica Gtv’s are so much more rare in comparisons to the euro webers cars. Whether it’s 650 vs 44000 or 1200 vs 35000 for spica vs Weber production numbers in the series 1’s, the difference is huge. This is indisputable.

Don’t get me wrong, this is not to slight the euro cars by any means which for many its equally as desirable. I’m just curious if whoever appraising these values have taken the wide disparity of production numbers in consideration.

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Hi Dave, thanks for all the good information my friend. You and W.L. could have a lively discussion about the various GTV nuances. I believe W.L. mentioned that only the passenger seat in a '69 Euro GTV has the adjustable headrest. He also told me all about the different turn signals, gear ratios in the differential and different cams but I was driving the car and don't remember all those details. I've had Alfa Romeo cars continuously and many times exclusively for 40 years. W.L. must have started collecting them about the same time as me. I have a picture of W.L. in my avatar Touring Roadster, 30 years ago, when we both had hair -LOL. He is 77, owns his own business and pretty much works full time. He is scaling back his collection and business, so as not to be a burden to his wife and children.

Regarding "I’m just curious if whoever appraising these values have taken the wide disparity of production numbers in consideration." I'm sorry, W.L. gave me these values from the "Sports Car Market Price Guide". They are not based on appraisals of cars but rather actual selling prices of cars, mostly at auction but could be other public sales both here and abroad. I subscribed to SCM for many, many years but cancelled my subscription about the time Keith and Cindy split up. I saved every issue and still have a few unopened copies piled up in a closet.

I too have Alfas with Webers and some with Spica fuel injection and have been well pleased with the performance of each. Both types of induction have been reliable, although the Spica tends to require more attention; whether it be oil filters, Thermostatic Actuators, cut off solenoids or $pica rebuilds. Webers are fairly simple and I enjoy rebuilding them... Spica fuel injection is a different animal altogether. I've had a bit of an issue with the Montreal that I suspect is related mostly to the Spica. It starts well cold and runs well but it does not like to restart once warmed up. Fortunately I was able locate a gas station that sells non-ethanol (Rec 90) and has a gently sloping parking lot, in case a 'roll start' is required.

People seem to go blank when I say both the monte and 33 were euro spec cars not available in USA for which emission wasn’t a concern.
The Montreal was initially intended to be a world car ('US' specification) but bumper crash standards among other things, prevented their importation. In 1972, Alfa Romeo actually developed an 'S' version of the Montreal with lower emission engines. The late 1972 cars on had a different cam profile in the Spica and Magneti Marelli S127D distributors, with a different advance, instead of the earlier S127C type. These cars are identified with an 'S' in the engine serial number. I suspect you could find a wooden wheel for your GTV if you wanted.

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Hi mark, yes the 401k has taken a dive all right.
Don't worry, your 401K is just taking a brief dive, and will bounce right back. The Covid-19 won't last long, it was "Made in China."

Keep calm and wash your hands.

Seriously, there is a serious situation. But remember, mostly serious to those with pre-existing health conditions and probably with a subset of people who are younger, and have an exaggerated immune response called "cytokine-storm."

There are many, many people who die every year from influenza, but just as with the dangers of flying a plane, or driving an old Alfa, we downplay those risks. This virus is more serious than the flu, but less serious than Ebola, or panic. Fear, panic are worse than the dip in your 401K.

Wash your hands and tell people to cover their mouths when they cough.
 
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