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I am looking for a picture of the Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 SS spider driven by Boninsegni and Dusio in the 1940 Mille Miglia.
The car had number 81 and DNF.

Hope someone can post a picture of this car.

Thank you very much!

Kind regards Orange1521
 

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It would be good to see these cars as well, don't know if 81 would deviate a lot, maybe one of the readers know. Thank you !
 

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"Mille Miglia 1940"

Actually, this racing event was called "Gran Premio Brescia delle Mille Miglia".
Held 28 April 1940

My notes indicate the following:

#76 = 6C2500 chassis 915007 (rebodied to berlinetta from spider)
#79 = 6C2500 chassis 915091
#80 = 6C2500 chassis 915009 (experimental engine with fuel injection)
#81 = 6C2500 ... a good guess would be chassis 915011 ??
#82 = 6C2500 chassis 915092
#83 = 6C2500 ... perhaps chassis 915053 ??
#84 = 6C2500 chassis 915093
#85 = 6C2500 ... a good guess would be chassis 915014 ??
#87 = 6C2300/2500 chassis 815001
Two additional 6C2500 cars were entered but did not start.

Each car seen so far in photographs was highly individual. Some cars were no longer in the same configuration as earlier racing appearances for the same car. Photos can be found of most of these chassis in one configuration or another.

I have not yet noted a photo of #81 on the event. #81 and #83 are the only two participants that seem to be undocumented photographically in mainstream press of the time and more recently in various books. Although there are earlier photos of 915011 in racing use, we should not assume that the car was racing here as #81 even though circumstantial evidence supports the idea. Nor should we assume that it was necessarily in the same configuration on the "Mille Miglia" as on earlier events. Too many changes were made to too many cars! If you are building a model, full-size or not, characteristics from one car really should not be applied to another unless photographs support the idea. Again, it seems that each car was quite individual in their characteristics.

John
 

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MM 1940 Alfa Romeo works training cars

Should be helpful?
Entertaining and interesting ...

... but these cars were not eligible to race in the actual event. This sort of luxury allowed the team to test and train with proven (and probably faster) cars while the actual race cars were being prepared ... and not consumed.

The photo shows two Alfa Romeo 8C2900B cars (ex MM 1938), an Alfa Romeo 412 and another 8C2900B that had also raced successfully for the factory.

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The photo shows two Alfa Romeo 8C2900B cars (ex MM 1938), an Alfa Romeo 412 and another 8C2900B that had also raced successfully for the factory.
Breathtaking. It's hard to imagine what today's value of these cars would be.
 

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Entertaining and interesting ...but these cars were not eligible to race in the actual event. John
Yes John, but i didn't identify the third car in the line....
However, the article from May 1940 L'auto Italiana says: "The Alfa Romeo official team will line up 4 cars equipped with the well known engine 2.5 liter 6 cylinders with 3 carburettors, which won all the sport category races in 1939. Touring made all the bodies: 1 closed car assigned to Boratto and 3 two-seater spiders assigned to Calamai, Dusio and Cornaggia. The Alfas have this competition outfitting: 120-124 CV at 5000 rpm, a weight of 1000-1200 Kg and a 1:3,6 final drive ratio, besides the proverbial road handling and the excellent brakes.
From a technical point of view another interesting Alfa is the 2.5 super sport equipped with the new electro-magnetic injection system by Caproni-Fuscaldo. This car ‘ll be driven by the famous aviator Chiodi."

Now my hypotesis is: because Dusio was an Alfa team driver in that period, i post this pic which shows the second line of the starting grid at the I circuito dell'Impero, Ostia 06/11/1939. The Alfas are: #16 Aldrighetti and #18 Dusio (Alfa team), #12 Cortese (Scuderia ambrosiana).
Im my opinion the #16 and the #18 are two-seaters spiders by Touring and probably they are the same cars enrolled to the 1940 1000 miglia.
 

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I am looking for a picture of the Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 SS spider driven by Boninsegni and Dusio in the 1940 Mille Miglia.
The car had number 81 and DNF.

Hope someone can post a picture of this car.

Thank you very much!

Kind regards Orange1521
On youtube there is a video of that time. I cut out a picture of that car.
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Well spotted. Here's the link to the video.
 

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It does appear that it is likely to be chassis 915011, despite some alterations for 1940 after it raced a few times during 1939 with Piero (a.k.a.. "Pietro") Dusio. Dusio sold it and then repurchased it prior to the GP Brescia race. By 1947, this car had been declared as having been taken away by German armed forces during World War II.
 

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Hello guys, I´m new on the forum, but I read it for very long time but never registered. So just want to say hello to all ! And I try to give my best english ! I`m working on AR 6C 2.3 and 2. 5 for many years and see really a lot. Now I decide to register because of the questions and the interest on the Dusio car 915011. A silure type by touring on a 1939 chassie which was modified by the working orders from Alfa Romoe to the mechanical workshop from Enzo Ferrari. The original chassie also the matching engine block/ the head , a second engine from 1939 and the very early DO2 carbs, a lot of parts and the gearbox are in germany. I see by myself. All the parts and the frame are checked for its original numbers and materials. So what I can say,for me it is the real chassie from 1939 with correct rear axle housing, steering box and and and . Problem is the owner is not easy to handle ;-)) He show me unbelievable paperwork to the car. I think there are 6, 7 or 8 cronos. So I hope that helps you .
Please forgive me when I not answering comments or questions in time. I look not every day in my computer, so please give me a few days.
thank you
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I would be very interested to collect some information from the car parts you describe as being in Germany today. I am not thinking there can be 6,7 or 8 cronos … if you mean "cronologico" from Italy. Maybe you refer to Germany as well? Or only to German documents?

In Italy, chassis 915011 was first registered 1939 to Pietro Dusio with a declared value of lira 54.500

Dusio ran at least three hill-climb races before the car was sold January 1940 to another owner in Torino. Then he officially re-purchased the car two days after the Gran Prix di Brescia della Mille Miglia. The car was sold to a new owner in Genova and re-registered there. During 1947, the Automobile Club of Genova registered the loss of the car to occupying German armed forces as part of seeking some sort of restitution or compensation.

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Hello John, great picture. You are right, there are only 3 italien cronologicos in the whole papers. And yes, 915011 was first registered 10.5.1939 to Dusio Piedro di secondo. After Dusio re purchased it in 1940 it was sold to Genova. Same owner in Genova applied for a new license plate in 1946 and 1 month later car was sold to another person also in Genova. at 13.11.1946 it was sold to a guy in Roma for 10.000 L. I think 915011 had 3 registrations between 39 and 46. I do not know for real, I was not there ;-)) Is it a written Information at Automobile Club of Genova that the car was taken by the german forces ? Please let me know.
Best regards
C.
Sassi Superga en 1939 Dusio.jpg
 

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Hallo, i know and yes on that frame with # 915011 there Are that Special Cuts and weldings to shorten a 3 m Sport from 1939 to a 2.70 m weelbase frame. That cuts Are Not only a cut from up to down ! Also The chassie number is on a different position on The frame as on production Alfas between 1934 and 1952.
 
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