[Redline Restorations]

Hi, guys just wanted to reach out for some answers, iv been going over this vehicle, and I'm not sure what is correct here. My theory is the engine was added sometime in the 39s or this is a 1939 not a 1938.. Can't find any info anywhere online. Was told the vehicle came from Argentina, raced in retro Mille Miglia races, Randall copper state 1000 and colorado grande car. All the info I was given. Anything will be greatly appreciated.

 

[PSk]

Was a saloon when it left the factory based on that Turismo plate, and also was made in 1939 according to Maurizio's book "Guide to the identification of ALFA ROMEO cars" if 2500. 1938's were 2300

BUT the chassis number, if the book is right and the cars plate, comes from a 1938 6C 2300 B Lungo (2nd Series), 814101 to 814316 as does the engine (823185 to 823650)

Pete

 

[Redline Restorations]

Was a saloon when it left the factory based on that Turismo plate, and also was made in 1939 according to Maurizio's book "Guide to the identification of ALFA ROMEO cars" if 2500. 1938's were 2300

BUT the chassis number, if the book is right and the car's plate, comes from a 1938 6C 2300 B Lungo (2nd Series), 814101 to 814316 as does the engine (823185 to 823650)

Pete

I was thinking it was a 2300 the whole time that engine did not belong. Also, triple carb was only in 2500, that's where I got lost and the questioned engine was right and chassis wrong based on the plate. we have an almost identical 1939 2500 6c ss with a matching plate with accounted race history, but this guy? Is this a 39 or 38 with the wrong engine, or right car right engine wrong year? Thanks again

 

[Ruzhany]

Nobody can tell. Based on the serial numbers it was completely different car, with the different frame, wheel base, body. We even do not know if the plate is original or somebody stamped it few years ago.

I would say somebody had the engine and gearbox and built a car around it few years ago.

 

[gtv2000]

814196 belongs to a 1938 6C2300B Lungo (wb 3.25m) with 70HP. The plate cannot be authentic if it associates that number with 6C2500 and 105HP. Quoted engine N° seems compatible with chassis number.

Car from Argentina? Built up there probably, around the engine. New frame with VIN stamped according to available papers, or shortened original frame?

For sure it didn't leave the factory in any form bearing resemblance with what's presented now.

 

[tubut]

This looks like a nice tribute car and/or Bitsa (from what I see in the style of a 256 Siluro, but not an exact copy -- among the deviations is a missing grille surround and a spear down the center of the grille). I would say the car is probably a lot of fun to drive, but was not born this way at the factory and/or Carrozzeria Touring.

BTW, I have a hard time reading the chassis number and would tend to believe the plate says 814198 rather than 814196. While 814196 is not listed in Morlacchi Salvetti's 2014 book "Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 - 6C 2500", it does list 814198 (on p. 177 of Vol. III) with a remark of "(1)" which is explained on p. 221 as "Oggi sopravivo solo il telaio / Today only the frame has survived."

Since this thread is about a specific car rather than Alfa Romeo history, I asked the mods to move it to the "Limited Production (1910-1949)" forum.

 

[Ruzhany]

The plate clearly stamped 814198 and engine 823383.

 

[Redline Restorations]

Thanks alot guys, Was having a real hard time pin pointing this vehicle. You guys are awesome.

 

[tubut]

The plate clearly stamped 814198 and engine 823383.

Ah, yes -- I looked at the thread on another device and it showed the picture larger, and it's clearly 814198.

With respect to the horse power, the book "Catalogue Raisonné" (3rd edition, 1999) lists 95 HP for the 1st Series 6C 2300 B Mille Miglia (1935-37), and 105 HP for the 2nd Series 6C 2300 B Mille Miglia (1937-39). So, technically 105 HP were possible in period, but certainly not on a Turismo (70 HP) or Gran Truismo (76 HP). So, I agree with @gtv2000 that the plate is incorrect.

 

[iicarJohn]

Unfortunately, the ID plate shown tells us nothing about any car as built by Alfa Romeo, whether built 1938, 1939 or 1979. When I saw this car several years ago, I did not get a chance to truly study it, but the engine (perhaps only mocked into place?) was numbered indistinctly and strangely. Not with anything remotely original-appearing.in the way of a stamping. I believe I may have gathered a gearbox number at that time? Also perhaps just a mock-up component? Perhaps a bit more, but I still have no idea as to the actual origins. I do have notes collected from others over the years that refer to the claimed chassis number in various hands, here and there. Some is vague and some seems fairly precise? I heard one person claim it to be an 8C, but nothing specific was shared to make that seem at all likely.