I have noticed that the seats in the 164L is not very supportive. Granted this car is 16 years old (1991). I feel like I am sinking in the driver seat and the back support is pretty bad relatively to my brother's Honda Accord and Mazda 3. Don't know about the 164S seats or Recaros but I get a sore lower back after driving for a long trip in the 164. Don't get me wrong, I love driving in this car. Has anyone else experience this?