That's a hard one. It depends on a lot of factors. How complete is itHow much is a 1600cc engine in need of a rebuild worth?
Thanks in advance.
No he wasn't trying to sell me something. He is a friend and was just speaking from his experience. He thought it would be more cost effective to fit a 2 litre, complete with gearbox. I have only got one quote on the 1600 sleeves so far. One supplier doesn't have them but sells 1750 kits for half the price. I haven't tried interstate yet, but it is unlikely I would find them cheaper there. This particular engine is complete but in pieces and the head has been fully reconditioned and comes with new gaskets and seals. I don't know how much it would cost to machine the block to fit 1750 sleeves.Hi Oz:
I have never heard of the 1600 block being weak. And as far as liner assemblys go, just looked up Centerline in the States, and they list 1600 kits for $535......Would this "mechanic" be trying to sell something?
Regards Ian.
Having both built and raced 1600's in all flavors including GTA's over the years, I can assure anyone reading this thread they are not "weak".Hi Oz:
I have never heard of the 1600 block being weak. And as far as liner assemblys go, just looked up Centerline in the States, and they list 1600 kits for $535......Would this "mechanic" be trying to sell something?
Regards Ian.
The engine is definitely the original so there is indeed a good argument for keeping it. Your point of view is apreciated and I will reassess the options and track down more sources of sleeve kits if I can. I am weighing up whether the car is worth the expense because it has rust issues.Having both built and raced 1600's in all flavors including GTA's over the years, I can assure anyone reading this thread they are not "weak".
As to the cost of rebuilds at todays prices, as opposed to the cost of a more common 2L, non rebuilt drop in, I would guess it's a toss up. If the car was equipted with a 1600 to begin with, and particularly if the 1600 matches the car, or if the car may have any future collectable value, a 2L would not be my first choice. On the other hand, as a less costly alternative, or for anyone without the knowledge, ability, or parts availability to complete a comprehensive 1600 rebuild, the 2L is a viable alternative. All just my opinion.Gordon Raymond
Try Christian Ondrak, Ok parts in Germany. Or as an easy alternative, get a set of custom 1 mm oversize forged JE pistons from Paul Spruell Motorsports here in the U.S. @ 800-552-ALFA, cut your liners 1mm to match Paul's specifications, and rebuild.The engine is definitely the original so there is indeed a good argument for keeping it. Your point of view is apreciated and I will reassess the options and track down more sources of sleeve kits if I can. I am weighing up whether the car is worth the expense because it has rust issues.
You might try contacting LA SLEEVE (lasleeve.com). I haven't dealt with them in quite awhile, but they used to catalogue Alfa sleeves. Their on-line information allows you to match up your dimensions with their sleeve production.No he wasn't trying to sell me something. He is a friend and was just speaking from his experience. He thought it would be more cost effective to fit a 2 litre, complete with gearbox. I have only got one quote on the 1600 sleeves so far. One supplier doesn't have them but sells 1750 kits for half the price. I haven't tried interstate yet, but it is unlikely I would find them cheaper there. This particular engine is complete but in pieces and the head has been fully reconditioned and comes with new gaskets and seals. I don't know how much it would cost to machine the block to fit 1750 sleeves.
[/QUOTE]The machine work on 1750 liners and the block is unnecessary with this technique, allowing no costly and irreversable block alterations. The potential costs of an 80mm bore is outweighed (1750 liners + machine work or 1600 real t h i n
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liners both + pistons) by the 79mm JE's and only boring stock 1600 liners 1 mm. Just my opinion.
Gordon Raymond