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Hi I have just bought a 102 in the U.K. that was first register in the USA in 1959. I am trying to trace some history including the registration mark. Does anyone have ideas or contacts to help. Thanks for your consideration .
 

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Where are YOU located? Pictures please. And yes, serial numbers for both car and engine. Car serial number is stamped into the firewall, near the top middle. engine number is stamped into engine case, on the front face, high right (passenger side), just below the cylinder head. It is sometimes not visible due to accumulated oil and grease.
 

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Red, maybe with a repaired cyl head? That might be Roger Carlson who was active in organizing the 2015 national convention in Providence, RI.
The Connecticut club which probably has a web site knew him well.
Roger used the BB. His few posts might be accessible.
(Maybe he replaced the head. It was bad shop work that went awry. Bang!)
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I assumed the Connecticut registration was recent. If so, Roger and Karen and 102 and trophy are photographed in the BB.
If not and it was an older Conn registration, oops, can’t help.
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If you post the serial number someone might have some information on it.
The chassis number is 10204 00546
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Ok The chassis number is 1020400546 and the engine number is 00442. The car (a red Superleggera Touring Spider) was imported by Hoffman and purchased from John Fitch Motors in July 1959. It was imported to the UK in Feb 1961 by the original owner and has only now been purchased by myself. The car was driven for 18 months in Massachusetts and i believe originally registered there. Any help would be appreciated including the likely dealership servicing the vehicle. I include a photo taken in the UK.
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This is slightly confusing....is it Connecticut, as you write in your first post, or Massachusetts, as written in your last post? You mentioned that the original owner brought it into the UK. Is that import related to a name and address that can be traced in the USA?
 

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See previous post. Not so sure after all. It is apparently a second hand car dealer that is 6 years old.....then again, maybe it was just a change of ownership?
 

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AFAIK, 10204.00546 was never listed in any 2000/2600 register.
 

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The car is equipped with the “Euro” style hood (bonnet). I have seen Euro hoods on cars supposedly sold new in the US, and I owned a car with US-style hood (and trim) known to have been delivered new in Belgium.

Nevertheless, if Fitch was a used-car dealer many decades ago, the car may have been sold new in Europe, imported to the US, then repatriated East.

Some of this can be definitively resolved by placing a request with the Alfa Museo. It is a clumsy process, but functional. In addition the the fee, you should provide them with both the engine and chassis numbers. They will usually be able to tell you where the car was delivered when new, interior and exterior colors, and confirm whether or not your engine was original to the car.

On that latter point....

It is common that the original engine number does not exactly match the chassis, although it is more common that the engine number is higher than the chassis number.

You have described the car as having a largely continuous ownership. If the car has not been much messed about, there should be a data plate screwed onto the firewall on the passenger side, tucked under the right, rear corner of the hood. In 1959 the plate would list both the chassis number and complete engine number. In 1960 they ceased listing the complete engine number.
 

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I assumed that John Fitch Motors was related to the legendary war hero, racing driver, car designer, traffic safety pioneer, etc etc John Fitch. He is unfortunately much less known than his Mercedes team mates Stirling Moss, Fangio and Karl Kling on this side of the pond. Most people know here about the 1955 Le Mans disaster, when Pierre Levegh drove his Merc SLR into the crowd, killing more than 80 people. Few know that John Fitch was his co-driver in that race. I first heard about him watching ‘Chasing Classic Car’, when Wayne Carrini bought the Fitch Phoenix. I rememembered that was somewhere in Connecticut. Of importance to the original post, he had two car dealerships. One was established in 1948, in White Plains, New York. It is in the picture below. In an interview I read that besides Jeeps, he sold ‘crap European cars’, including Austin and Renault. No idea if that included Alfa’s as well. He manufactured cars there too. Later, in the mid-60’s, he had a garage called Fitch & Co in Falls Village in Connecticut. I don’t think either place still exsists, but maybe it is still worth the lead.
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Not Roger's. I rode many times with him on local tours. His car has returned to the midwest US to his son.

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This is slightly confusing....is it Connecticut, as you write in your first post, or Massachusetts, as written in your last post? You mentioned that the original owner brought it into the UK. Is that import related to a name and address that can be traced in the USA?
Hi I have now found the original registration mark awarded to the car in 1959 from Massachusetts. Thanks for the constructive input from those who tried to help!!
 

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Hi I have now found the original registration mark awarded to the car in 1959 from Massachusetts. Thanks for the constructive input from those who tried to help!!
So, why don't you share it with us?
 
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The car is equipped with the “Euro” style hood (bonnet). I have seen Euro hoods on cars supposedly sold new in the US, and I owned a car with US-style hood (and trim) known to have been delivered new in Belgium.

Nevertheless, if Fitch was a used-car dealer many decades ago, the car may have been sold new in Europe, imported to the US, then repatriated East.

Some of this can be definitively resolved by placing a request with the Alfa Museo. It is a clumsy process, but functional. In addition the the fee, you should provide them with both the engine and chassis numbers. They will usually be able to tell you where the car was delivered when new, interior and exterior colors, and confirm whether or not your engine was original to the car.

On that latter point....

It is common that the original engine number does not exactly match the chassis, although it is more common that the engine number is higher than the chassis number.

You have described the car as having a largely continuous ownership. If the car has not been much messed about, there should be a data plate screwed onto the firewall on the passenger side, tucked under the right, rear corner of the hood. In 1959 the plate would list both the chassis number and complete engine number. In 1960 they ceased listing the complete engine number.
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Thanks for that I have the chassis number stamped on the plate as well as the bulkhead. It also includes the engine number. Next to it is another plate with the touring number. The documents show one owner from new with export cert from Alfa to USA direct and the car left the USA with just over 2000 on the tachometer. It originally had a USA hood but on importation to the UK, an
old letter in 1960 to Alfa headquarters stated that a service at Alfa Milan was booked for 1961 and a replacement hood was arranged. I now have the original first number plate awarded on arriving in the UK. Thanks for your input! J
 

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Is there a problem with sharing the chassis number with us? And engine number? At this point in history, there are so few left we enjoy keeping up with their movements.

The museum in Italy can, and will, confirm the match of chassis and engine if you provide the numbers to them. Reproduced ID plates are fairly common.

Tachometers rarely record anything, but I’m sure you knew that.

I wonder why one would change a hood? Both have their artistic merits.
 
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